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Dear Rupert Murdoch: Let’s Talk Piracy & “The Simpsons”

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Re: Dear Rupert Murdoch: Let’s Talk Piracy & “The Simpsons”

#11
It`s 2012. I can get live footage of every event over the world within an hour good or bad (Youtube / Twitter / TV ) but cant watch my favorite tv-shows when i want.

There are a total of 6 - The Walt Disney Company - Sony Pictures Entertainment - Paramount Pictures - Twentieth Century Fox - Universal Studios - Warner Bros. remaining movie studios who control the rights to nearly every popular movie / tv-show. What is mind blowing for me they rather sue mothers who torrent some music files then get their act together and create an iTunes Store for themselves.

It could be so easy for them to create a joint venture and buy Netflix and Spotify. Those companies, given the right tools, can easily figure out a consumer model that would work for the majority of us.

But no, they rather witch hunt for over a decade now and lobby more and more censorship laws in every country. I finally want to get to the point where i can watch what i want when i want.

Re: Dear Rupert Murdoch: Let’s Talk Piracy & “The Simpsons”

#13
post #4

so when leasing airwaves Mr Murdoch is paying the OP? or i missed smth

It's a bit of a mental stretch, but... the airwaves our "ours" because we pay taxes to fund the FCC to regulate them that way.

i thought vice versa, we pay taxes to operate/regulate anything that is in public domain ("ours" already), not that we buy it with our taxes from someone.

Re: Dear Rupert Murdoch: Let’s Talk Piracy & “The Simpsons”

#14
I'm sorry but this is a classic episode of WMFS syndrome (aka, "where's my free shit?"). You can't have exactly what you want, when you want it for free, so it's someone else's fault. If you wanted the show, you could watch it right now. But you don't want it $3.99 (?) worth, or whatever iTunes/AMZN charges for it.

Since you didn't avail yourself of the opportunity to watch it the first few times you had the chance, you pay for the privilege. You might not like it, but that's how it goes. You can't walk up to an airline and buy the same seat at the same price the day before it leaves, either, so this sort of price discrimination is hardly remarkable.

First, as you say, you did have the chance to watch the over-the-air broadcast (for which Murdoch should pay you/the gov't for use of the airwaves; if you don't like the current financial arrangement, write your Congressman). You didn't avail yourself of that opportunity.

Next, you could have DVRd it, as you say. But you didn't, for whatever reason.

Now you are upset that Hulu Plus doesn't have it. Do you yell and scream when the public library doesn't happen to have purchased the book you want? Because you pay for those books too. Go get a refund from Hulu Plus, if you're unhappy, but it's an economic decision not to make it available on Hulu Plus or on Fox's website.

The fact is, you had several chances to watch without paying more out of pocket. You missed them, so now you have to pay, if it's important to you. That is no one's fault but your own.

Update: formatting

Re: Dear Rupert Murdoch: Let’s Talk Piracy & “The Simpsons”

#15

I'm sorry but this is a classic episode of WMFS syndrome (aka, "where's my free shit?"). You can't have exactly what you want, when you want it for free , so it's someone else's fault. If you wanted the show, you could watch it right now. But you don't want it $3.99 (?) worth, or whatever iTunes/AMZN charges for it. Since you didn't avail yourself of the opportunity to watch it the first few times you had the chance,…

$125 per month for DirecTV. $7 per month for Hulu Plus. $7 per month for Netflix. Where do you see me saying I wanted it for free?

The fact is, I can have it on demand and for free if I want to watch it through my computer. Or hook my computer up to my TV. Fox provides it this way.

But if I want to watch it through a Roku or Google TV, from the same exact web site, from the same exact data stream, then I can't.

And I can't, because, Fox is afraid that if they do it that way, I won't pay all the money I'm already paying to DirecTV in the first place.

So lesson learned? I shouldn't bother with any of the payment options in the first place.

Re: Dear Rupert Murdoch: Let’s Talk Piracy & “The Simpsons”

#16

I'm sorry but this is a classic episode of WMFS syndrome (aka, "where's my free shit?"). You can't have exactly what you want, when you want it for free , so it's someone else's fault. If you wanted the show, you could watch it right now. But you don't want it $3.99 (?) worth, or whatever iTunes/AMZN charges for it. Since you didn't avail yourself of the opportunity to watch it the first few times you had the chance,…

$125 per month for DirecTV. $7 per month for Hulu Plus. $7 per month for Netflix. Where do you see me saying I wanted it for free? The fact is, I can have it on demand and for free if I want to watch it through my computer. Or hook my computer up to my TV. Fox provides it this way. But if I want to watch it through a Roku or Google TV, from the same exact web site, from the same exact data stream, then I can't. And I…

>I shouldn't bother with any of the payment options in the first place.

Many people on HN don't pay for any content. It's no secret how they do it but there is probably something in the rules that would see me stopped.

Re: Dear Rupert Murdoch: Let’s Talk Piracy & “The Simpsons”

#18
"Blocking TV Devices Promotes The Piracy You Hate"

That's like saying the high price of Porsches promotes car jacking. People are pro-theft or anti-theft. I'll never download copyrighted content without permission. It doesn't matter what anyone does. Having the Simpsons is a privilege, not a right.

It wasn't that long ago that shows would air once and never be seen again (as far as audiences knew at the time) and I don't remember people rioting or breaking into studios to steal the original tapes because shows only aired a single time.

When you steal copyrighted content, that's exactly what you're doing, even if you aren't busting down physical doors and rummaging through physical storage rooms.

Just my two cents.

Re: Dear Rupert Murdoch: Let’s Talk Piracy & “The Simpsons”

#19

I'm sorry but this is a classic episode of WMFS syndrome (aka, "where's my free shit?"). You can't have exactly what you want, when you want it for free , so it's someone else's fault. If you wanted the show, you could watch it right now. But you don't want it $3.99 (?) worth, or whatever iTunes/AMZN charges for it. Since you didn't avail yourself of the opportunity to watch it the first few times you had the chance,…

$125 per month for DirecTV. $7 per month for Hulu Plus. $7 per month for Netflix. Where do you see me saying I wanted it for free? The fact is, I can have it on demand and for free if I want to watch it through my computer. Or hook my computer up to my TV. Fox provides it this way. But if I want to watch it through a Roku or Google TV, from the same exact web site, from the same exact data stream, then I can't. And I…

Forgive me. Your complaint is that you can't watch it on the device you want at exactly the time you want for free. (Though if it's on Neflix streaming, one would think you could watch it via Roku.)

Anyway, I think we agree that Fox is making a business decision, just like you make a business decision to provide some of your content for free on the web and some for pay at your conferences.

So your quibble is with the choice of devices. But your post (and reaction above) counts up the amount you are paying, and implies that Fox is being atypically greedy (or myopic) for not making it available on the specific device you want at no additional charge.

My complaint is that you're couching an economic argument--you want to pay +$0, Fox wants $0.99--in moral terms, which smacks of the entitlement to which I object.

Re: Dear Rupert Murdoch: Let’s Talk Piracy & “The Simpsons”

#20
post #18

"Blocking TV Devices Promotes The Piracy You Hate" That's like saying the high price of Porsches promotes car jacking. People are pro-theft or anti-theft. I'll never download copyrighted content without permission. It doesn't matter what anyone does. Having the Simpsons is a privilege, not a right. It wasn't that long ago that shows would air once and never be seen again (as far as audiences knew at the time) and I d…

"Having the Simpsons is a privilege, not a right"

A $120+ a month privilege? If I was paying that much for TV, I'd be expecting to watch what I want when I want.

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