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Phobos's orbit and its apparent motion across the Martian sky

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Re: Phobos's orbit and its apparent motion across the Martian sky

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What I find unsettling is that our Moon rotates at a the precise perfect speed to make us "see always the same side". From all the possible speed values in the universe, why precisely that one?!

It's a phenomenon called tidally locked which is why Mercury exhibits the same thing with one side or mercury always facing the sun

Re: Phobos's orbit and its apparent motion across the Martian sky

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What I find unsettling is that our Moon rotates at a the precise perfect speed to make us "see always the same side". From all the possible speed values in the universe, why precisely that one?!

Tidal locking. All two-body systems stabilize in a similar configuration. The Moon isn't quite done yet, we still see IIRC 59% of the surface on average due to libration.

Re: Phobos's orbit and its apparent motion across the Martian sky

#13

This is a whole lotta words and graphics to explain something that literally takes two sentences: Phobos orbits Mars faster than Mars rotates itself, while Deimos rotates slower than Mars. Thus from the ground their apparent motion is opposing in the sky; Deimos rises in the east and sets in the west, while Phobos does the opposite. Done.

I thought it was an interesting article. Also, your comment breaks the guidelines: > Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

It's dismissive, but I wouldn't call it shallow...

Re: Phobos's orbit and its apparent motion across the Martian sky

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What I find unsettling is that our Moon rotates at a the precise perfect speed to make us "see always the same side". From all the possible speed values in the universe, why precisely that one?!

That’s actually fairly common. The really unsettling question is “why is the moon exactly the same size in the sky as the sun?”. A little bit smaller and we wouldn’t see full solar eclipses, a little bit bigger and we wouldn’t see the suns corona during an eclipse. Another unsettling feature is that the moon is moving further away from the earth so in a few million years’ time, we won’t even have full solar eclipses. So now what are the chances that in the 4B years the earth’s been around, we’re alive at the relatively short time period that we can witness this earth/moon/sun relationship?

Re: Phobos's orbit and its apparent motion across the Martian sky

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What I find unsettling is that our Moon rotates at a the precise perfect speed to make us "see always the same side". From all the possible speed values in the universe, why precisely that one?!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_locking

Re: Phobos's orbit and its apparent motion across the Martian sky

#17

What I find unsettling is that our Moon rotates at a the precise perfect speed to make us "see always the same side". From all the possible speed values in the universe, why precisely that one?!

As others have already said, it's tidal locking.

But to be more precise on what that means, on a long time scale, the rotation speed of one object orbiting another tends to either speed up or slow down until one side is always facing the larger object.

Many other moons in the solar system do this with their parent planet, and Mercury does this with the sun.

It's happening to Earth as well, albeit too slowly to matter.

Re: Phobos's orbit and its apparent motion across the Martian sky

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This is a whole lotta words and graphics to explain something that literally takes two sentences: Phobos orbits Mars faster than Mars rotates itself, while Deimos rotates slower than Mars. Thus from the ground their apparent motion is opposing in the sky; Deimos rises in the east and sets in the west, while Phobos does the opposite. Done.

Totally agree. I read through it and thought "this is not a hard concept".

That said, I did think the last graphic in the article was really interesting, showing that with a highly elliptical orbit it's possible for a moon to both rise and set on the same side. The article could have been greatly improved by just showing those three planet/moon graphics and explaining the 3 possible states for each.

Re: Phobos's orbit and its apparent motion across the Martian sky

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This is a whole lotta words and graphics to explain something that literally takes two sentences: Phobos orbits Mars faster than Mars rotates itself, while Deimos rotates slower than Mars. Thus from the ground their apparent motion is opposing in the sky; Deimos rises in the east and sets in the west, while Phobos does the opposite. Done.

I thought it was an interesting article. Also, your comment breaks the guidelines: > Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

It's a good comment because it summarizes the article better than the title does. Every article with a misleading title should have a top comment like that.

Re: Phobos's orbit and its apparent motion across the Martian sky

#20

What I find unsettling is that our Moon rotates at a the precise perfect speed to make us "see always the same side". From all the possible speed values in the universe, why precisely that one?!

Ganymede, Europa and Io orbit Jupiter in periods with precise 1:2:4 ratios. Pluto and Uranus have a 2:3 orbital period ratio.

A superstitious person might suspect there were some cosmic hand tuning the celestial clockwork. Perhaps the motions of the planets has deep resonances with our own lives? You can see why astrology might have some appeal…

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