Yay! When do they get rid of snaps?
Ubuntu tends to only support these kinds of things for a few years and then they drop it. I suspect that either later this year or sometime next year they will drop it. Could be wrong, but here's hoping.
Ubuntu Flavors Dropping Flatpak
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Re: Ubuntu Flavors Dropping Flatpak
#12I still don't understand this obsession with snap.
One of the reasons Ubuntu effectively lost the privileged spot they had won, among Linux distributions, is this obsession with rewriting backend systems instead of focusing on what brought them users in the first place: all-around polish and ease of use. These things end up generating flamewars and ill-will across users and advocates, and in most cases they simply die after some time.
They should focus again on what really matters. But I'm told Shuttleworth's mind doesn't work like that.
Re: Ubuntu Flavors Dropping Flatpak
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yet more "snap is a dark pattern" kind of comment. Why is snap a "dark pattern"?
Dark pattern: a user interface that has been carefully crafted to trick users into doing things The 'interface' (tool availability) has been crafted such that users are likely to favor Snap over Flatpak... because Flatpak now takes a step that only serves to prop up Snap: installation of the runtime I don't want to overstate the significance of this -- it's about as dark as dawn-break. Canonical is still maintaining/…
You haven't answered the question, though.
> I don't want to overstate the significance of this -- it's about as dark as dawn-break.
I don't see any significance in it. What exactly is the problem?
Re: Ubuntu Flavors Dropping Flatpak
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
Dark pattern: a user interface that has been carefully crafted to trick users into doing things The 'interface' (tool availability) has been crafted such that users are likely to favor Snap over Flatpak... because Flatpak now takes a step that only serves to prop up Snap: installation of the runtime I don't want to overstate the significance of this -- it's about as dark as dawn-break. Canonical is still maintaining/…
You haven't answered the question, though. > I don't want to overstate the significance of this -- it's about as dark as dawn-break. I don't see any significance in it. What exactly is the problem?
I feel like I have, they've dripped water on our face and called it rain.
I don't have an issue in them preferring their solutions, I have an issue with them trying to convince us that it's for our benefit -- not theirs.
XKCD standards summarizes my sentiment well: https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.png
edit: Snap in itself isn't a dark pattern. I've explained why I feel like this change, and particularly the handling, is.
Re: Ubuntu Flavors Dropping Flatpak
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yet more "snap is a dark pattern" kind of comment. Why is snap a "dark pattern"?
Dark pattern: a user interface that has been carefully crafted to trick users into doing things The 'interface' (tool availability) has been crafted such that users are likely to favor Snap over Flatpak... because Flatpak now takes a step that only serves to prop up Snap: installation of the runtime I don't want to overstate the significance of this -- it's about as dark as dawn-break. Canonical is still maintaining/…
The ignorance about dark patterns is partially innocent and partially motivated. Some people cannot believe that their favorite kind of company (OSS, for example) would ever lie to them; the thought of it is too painful to bear. Or they can't believe their favorite company (Apple, for example) would lie to them or lie to others.
Garden variety self-deception.
Re: Ubuntu Flavors Dropping Flatpak
#16I still don't understand this obsession with snap. One of the reasons Ubuntu effectively lost the privileged spot they had won, among Linux distributions, is this obsession with rewriting backend systems instead of focusing on what brought them users in the first place: all-around polish and ease of use. These things end up generating flamewars and ill-will across users and advocates, and in most cases they simply di…
"They should focus again on what really matters."
I'm pretty sure what really matters to them is making money which they weren't doing but increasing have been doing since shifting focus from what you and others here seem to think they should be focusing on.
Re: Ubuntu Flavors Dropping Flatpak
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
You haven't answered the question, though. > I don't want to overstate the significance of this -- it's about as dark as dawn-break. I don't see any significance in it. What exactly is the problem?
I feel like I have, they've dripped water on our face and called it rain. I don't have an issue in them preferring their solutions, I have an issue with them trying to convince us that it's for our benefit -- not theirs. XKCD standards summarizes my sentiment well: https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.png edit: Snap in itself isn't a dark pattern. I've explained why I feel like this change, and particularly the han…
They're doing stuff a different way. They're getting rid of messy, broken, obsolete .deb and switching to something that's nearly as advanced as what Haiku had five years ago, Mac OSX had nearly 20 years ago, and RiscOS had 35 years ago...
Re: Ubuntu Flavors Dropping Flatpak
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Dark pattern: a user interface that has been carefully crafted to trick users into doing things The 'interface' (tool availability) has been crafted such that users are likely to favor Snap over Flatpak... because Flatpak now takes a step that only serves to prop up Snap: installation of the runtime I don't want to overstate the significance of this -- it's about as dark as dawn-break. Canonical is still maintaining/…
The ignorance about dark patterns is partially innocent and partially motivated. Some people cannot believe that their favorite kind of company (OSS, for example) would ever lie to them; the thought of it is too painful to bear. Or they can't believe their favorite company (Apple, for example) would lie to them or lie to others. Garden variety self-deception.
Okay, but can you explain why getting rid of an obsolete and broken packaging system and replacing it with one that's nearly modern is a "dark pattern"?
Re: Ubuntu Flavors Dropping Flatpak
#19I still don't understand this obsession with snap. One of the reasons Ubuntu effectively lost the privileged spot they had won, among Linux distributions, is this obsession with rewriting backend systems instead of focusing on what brought them users in the first place: all-around polish and ease of use. These things end up generating flamewars and ill-will across users and advocates, and in most cases they simply di…
"They should focus again on what really matters." I'm pretty sure what really matters to them is making money which they weren't doing but increasing have been doing since shifting focus from what you and others here seem to think they should be focusing on.
They definitely didn't make money from Unity or Mir, which is what I was referring to. In fact, they started making money when they abandoned those silly dreams, including Ubuntu Phones, and focused again on their bread and butter: providing a Linux experience that is both familiar and polished.
Snap is the last of their pointless flamewars, achieving nothing but a slowdown in adoption - the only metric that really differentiates them from the pack.