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The dystopian underworld of South Africa’s illegal gold mines

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Re: The dystopian underworld of South Africa’s illegal gold mines

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It's true. The only thing we can do to stop criminal gold miners is to segregate our society by race.

If we don't continue apartheid, where will we get billionaires to buy social media companies and run them into the ground as a political stunt?

Re: The dystopian underworld of South Africa’s illegal gold mines

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I sometimes wonder what the future of human rights is considering a scenario from 10 generations from now.

The survived miners will probably have children. The children who are not fit (neither physically nor mentally) will die working in mines. The mentally fit children will migrate to US. The physically fit children will have more children that are physically fit. What will happen then? Why are we ignoring the future of our species and human rights on a larger scale of time?

Re: The dystopian underworld of South Africa’s illegal gold mines

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I sometimes wonder what the future of human rights is considering a scenario from 10 generations from now. The survived miners will probably have children. The children who are not fit (neither physically nor mentally) will die working in mines. The mentally fit children will migrate to US. The physically fit children will have more children that are physically fit. What will happen then? Why are we ignoring the futu…

Are you saying it's actually good to abuse people because it makes the gene pool stronger in some abstract way?

Re: The dystopian underworld of South Africa’s illegal gold mines

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I sometimes wonder what the future of human rights is considering a scenario from 10 generations from now. The survived miners will probably have children. The children who are not fit (neither physically nor mentally) will die working in mines. The mentally fit children will migrate to US. The physically fit children will have more children that are physically fit. What will happen then? Why are we ignoring the futu…

Are you saying it's actually good to abuse people because it makes the gene pool stronger in some abstract way?

No I am just wondering why is this largely ignored

Re: The dystopian underworld of South Africa’s illegal gold mines

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying it's actually good to abuse people because it makes the gene pool stronger in some abstract way?

No I am just wondering why is this largely ignored

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index

Outside of a few wealthy democratic enclaves, the world is largely a place where the rule of law means the rule of the strongest, where human rights don't exist, and where everything and everyone can be bought for the right price. This includes international waters.

Re: The dystopian underworld of South Africa’s illegal gold mines

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I sometimes wonder what the future of human rights is considering a scenario from 10 generations from now. The survived miners will probably have children. The children who are not fit (neither physically nor mentally) will die working in mines. The mentally fit children will migrate to US. The physically fit children will have more children that are physically fit. What will happen then? Why are we ignoring the futu…

Human migration (under various situations / stresses like famines) has been studied in economics, sociology, etc..

There are also studies about generational poverty, medical literature on helping people recover from traumatic conditions, etc..

Not to read any bad intent in your comment, but there also have been studies about social darwinism that have a long track record of problems. I think people do still do studies about genetic inheritance etc., but it's probably impossible to draw society-level conclusions without data.

Re: The dystopian underworld of South Africa’s illegal gold mines

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's true. The only thing we can do to stop criminal gold miners is to segregate our society by race.

If we don't continue apartheid, where will we get billionaires to buy social media companies and run them into the ground as a political stunt?

I assume this is in reference to Elon Musk.

That story is bunk.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/11/17/elon-musk-emerald-min...

Re: The dystopian underworld of South Africa’s illegal gold mines

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Was a well written article. Pretty amazing contrast in the way various people are forced to live. While obviously not great for black people during apartheid South Africa's government really fell apart afterwards.

Hiv infection rates rose from 3% to 18% of the adult population.

Top 10 in the world for murder rates.

30% unemployment rate.

Rolling blackouts.

Afrikaans Paramilitary groups.

Massive organized criminal organizations.

Widespread government corruption.

Recently had the Zuma riots.

It seems to be inching it's way towards a failed state now.

I'm in no way implying that apartheid should not have been abolished. It was terrible. Just saying that the governments that followed were objectively not great.

Re: The dystopian underworld of South Africa’s illegal gold mines

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I sometimes wonder what the future of human rights is considering a scenario from 10 generations from now. The survived miners will probably have children. The children who are not fit (neither physically nor mentally) will die working in mines. The mentally fit children will migrate to US. The physically fit children will have more children that are physically fit. What will happen then? Why are we ignoring the futu…

What, like Morlocks and Eloi? I suppose it's an interesting idea to contemplate, but planning to avoid it is a textbook example of premature optimization. We have a million bigger problems that could wipe us out long before that becomes a risk, even with the wild presumption that the conditions in SA stay the same for 10 generations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morlock

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