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Amazon employees push CEO Andy Jassy to drop return-to-office mandate

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Re: Amazon employees push CEO Andy Jassy to drop return-to-office mandate

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this RTO mandates are getting old. Do people, in general, believe that we can revert to whatever we were doing before the pandemic started?

I'm not certain about that, but I do think companies believe this is a simple way to kill two birds with one stone:

1. Trim headcount.

2. Keep the most "loyal" employees (or those who need the job the most and will say yes to anything, which is a double-sided sword).

Re: Amazon employees push CEO Andy Jassy to drop return-to-office mandate

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Kind of think people not being able to return to the office is the goal. It lets them reduce head count without the need for severance. Kind of like in office space when they just stopped paying the guy. I did laugh at the part about being the world's best employer. Pretty hard to do with mandatory pips and firing warehouse employees via algorithms.

Constructive dismissal is still a layoff.

Re: Amazon employees push CEO Andy Jassy to drop return-to-office mandate

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this RTO mandates are getting old. Do people, in general, believe that we can revert to whatever we were doing before the pandemic started?

I mean unless proven otherwise most companies do believe that. What happened to that Vote with your feet / vote with your wallet thing?

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this RTO mandates are getting old. Do people, in general, believe that we can revert to whatever we were doing before the pandemic started?

Anecdata: been doing it since 5/15/2020. With best effort “social distancing” up until a few months back.

As a layman, in my unprofessional opinion, people in generally good health should not perceive the office as a death trap.

Re: Amazon employees push CEO Andy Jassy to drop return-to-office mandate

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this RTO mandates are getting old. Do people, in general, believe that we can revert to whatever we were doing before the pandemic started?

I'm not certain about that, but I do think companies believe this is a simple way to kill two birds with one stone: 1. Trim headcount. 2. Keep the most "loyal" employees (or those who need the job the most and will say yes to anything, which is a double-sided sword).

3. Separate the wheat from the chaff. The chaff come to the office.

Re: Amazon employees push CEO Andy Jassy to drop return-to-office mandate

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this RTO mandates are getting old. Do people, in general, believe that we can revert to whatever we were doing before the pandemic started?

The complaints are also getting old. If you were hired with the expectation that you go in the office, RTO is an eventual expected outcome. I do see the psychology of taking away what many see as a "benefit", but it's really just going back to the norm.

Hmm... the complaints are getting old? I guess the beatings need to continue until morale improves.

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Hard disagree with "If you were hired with the expectation that you go in the office, RTO is an eventual expected outcome." Ask yourself why do we need to RTO? Who needs the RTO?

Re: Amazon employees push CEO Andy Jassy to drop return-to-office mandate

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post #2

this RTO mandates are getting old. Do people, in general, believe that we can revert to whatever we were doing before the pandemic started?

I'm not certain about that, but I do think companies believe this is a simple way to kill two birds with one stone: 1. Trim headcount. 2. Keep the most "loyal" employees (or those who need the job the most and will say yes to anything, which is a double-sided sword).

haha. Because loyal == high performing. That is how it works. There is absolutely no way that high performing employees that can get a job by crossing the street will ever think about jumping ship because of the shitty manner they are treated.

Re: Amazon employees push CEO Andy Jassy to drop return-to-office mandate

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post #12

Kind of think people not being able to return to the office is the goal. It lets them reduce head count without the need for severance. Kind of like in office space when they just stopped paying the guy. I did laugh at the part about being the world's best employer. Pretty hard to do with mandatory pips and firing warehouse employees via algorithms.

Constructive dismissal is still a layoff.

I'm all for remote work in tech, but I also think it might be difficult to convince a court that "please come to work" is creating a hostile work environment.

Re: Amazon employees push CEO Andy Jassy to drop return-to-office mandate

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this RTO mandates are getting old. Do people, in general, believe that we can revert to whatever we were doing before the pandemic started?

The complaints are also getting old. If you were hired with the expectation that you go in the office, RTO is an eventual expected outcome. I do see the psychology of taking away what many see as a "benefit", but it's really just going back to the norm.

1. of all the norm for a couple of years is home office

2. it is an objective benefit

3. the norm is what the majority want it to be

Re: Amazon employees push CEO Andy Jassy to drop return-to-office mandate

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post #2

this RTO mandates are getting old. Do people, in general, believe that we can revert to whatever we were doing before the pandemic started?

The complaints are also getting old. If you were hired with the expectation that you go in the office, RTO is an eventual expected outcome. I do see the psychology of taking away what many see as a "benefit", but it's really just going back to the norm.

Why does it have to be the norm?

We can't just stick to what's been done previously just because it used to be that way. Clearly, for years, workers have been productive remotely. I get some people like being in the office more than WFH, but the "some" is key here and does not align with an RTO mandate

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