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The design of in-car climate controls has gone backward

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Re: The design of in-car climate controls has gone backward

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My impression is that almost everything that's made with touchscreen is a worse of an interface. I think the're four big reasons:

1) the notion of design has been subtly replaced with style;

Sleek wins over functional. For instance, scroll bars on desktop UIs were thrown away, because they were too fat for phones, and phone UI now sets the trend. So nobody among designers cared that the scrollbar you see with peripheral vision does help you orient in apps.

2) styles are in perpetual rat race, you must be trendy and throw away anything that's drawn to 5-year-old fashion;

3) constant feature creep; Social network VK offered music playing, but over the last 5-6 years the number of taps it takes to start playing grew from 3 to 6 or 8 if you need a particular playlist. It's just awful and irritating.

Consider public transit apps. In my city, you must do 15-20 taps to see the routes you need. I struggle to do this while walking. And I have a good vision -- imagine how tough it is for an old man. But a public sector manager, who drives a new sleek Mercedes and never took a bus/trolleybus last 20 years, tells you this is the future.

4) imprecision of touchscreens and curvature of a thumb. Feature creep requires to stick more and more items in the screen, and on a phone, you must be able to hit 1*1 mm area with a rather flat surface of your thumb.

I've only driven Renault Logan derivatives that have no touchscreen, and kinda scared of the perspective to have to deal with touchscreen while driving.

Re: The design of in-car climate controls has gone backward

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post #8

Are there any reliable modern vehicles with a UI more like a decade or two ago? (eg. physical knobs and a dash that doesn't blind you)

Mazda and Honda both have said they will avoid touch screen for climate.

They both use the three knob system (fan strength, temp, zones) and there is no possible improvement as far as I am concerned.

Re: The design of in-car climate controls has gone backward

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post #5

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I'm going to repeat a comment I made a few times before, as I think it's relevant: In one of the talks at Google I/O a few years ago a VP from Audi (or Volvo?) spoke in a thick and lofty German accent about how "ve haf completely oferhauled ze driver exzperienze". He played a sexy video clip showcasing their new Android infotainment system (something like https://youtu.be…

Audi has always been funny to me as they’ve been a copycat brand for the 30 years I’ve been aware of them.

So it makes since that their “innovation” is a skeuomorphic digital version of a physical dial that costs more and is shittier.

There’s a gnostic origin story of the demiurge who is like a retarded brother of God that sees heaven and wants to make their own version. But they mess up and make a crappy version that is our world. I think that analogy fits when I see groups try to copy another group and fail, especially when they have high resources. The demiurge was near omniscient in power so it wasn’t lack of resources that made our world suck.

I also think it funny that the gnostic origin story was so pessimistic.

I love learning about different cultures and their origin stories.

Re: The design of in-car climate controls has gone backward

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I had an eight-gen (2005–2012) Honda Civic, and honestly I've never seen a car with better ergonomics. Climate and radio controls high up and within easy reach of the driver, different sized/shaped knobs so you can differentiate by touch, big digital speedo and GPS screen high up so they're practically at the base of the windscreen. I drove a ninth-generation Civic while mine was being serviced, and even that felt like a step back.

Re: The design of in-car climate controls has gone backward

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post #8

Are there any reliable modern vehicles with a UI more like a decade or two ago? (eg. physical knobs and a dash that doesn't blind you)

Mazda and Honda both have said they will avoid touch screen for climate. They both use the three knob system (fan strength, temp, zones) and there is no possible improvement as far as I am concerned.

Can confirm, a friend of mine was looking for a lease car, explicitly with knobs for controls like this. I think he went for a Mazda in the end.

Re: The design of in-car climate controls has gone backward

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I feel like I'm the only one that uses the manual controls. It bugs me getting into someone's car where the heat is set to 85 degrees and the HVAC goes full blast once you turn the key, but you know nothing warm is going to come out of the vents for at least ten minutes, when the engine starts to warm up (in the winter)

Re: The design of in-car climate controls has gone backward

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post #8

Are there any reliable modern vehicles with a UI more like a decade or two ago? (eg. physical knobs and a dash that doesn't blind you)

Toyota Tacoma - still has all the knobs and buttons just like God intended. Touch screen is small, works with CarPlay, good for podcasts and maps. Everything else, just reach over and touch it. And a Tacoma is the very definition of reliable.

Console view:

https://toyotaassets.scene7.com/is/image/toyota/TAC_MY21_000...

Re: The design of in-car climate controls has gone backward

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My impression is that almost everything that's made with touchscreen is a worse of an interface. I think the're four big reasons: 1) the notion of design has been subtly replaced with style; Sleek wins over functional. For instance, scroll bars on desktop UIs were thrown away, because they were too fat for phones, and phone UI now sets the trend. So nobody among designers cared that the scrollbar you see with periphe…

Mobile stabbed the scroll bar but SPAs and infinite scroll put the nail in their coffin.

My other pet peeve triggered by your transit app comment is creeping privacy intrusion. I use a private DNS and can barely go a week without having to tweak my allow-list because an app that use to work fine now is blocked because they added yet another tracker. Looking at you Park Chicago, CTA apps, and seemingly every public service app I’ve ever used.

Re: The design of in-car climate controls has gone backward

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post #6

Here’s a thing I realized about climate controls that is NOT intuitive - it is not about the temperature/humidity in the car or room! That’s only an accident - it’s about how the person/people feel. So the older cars work closer to that because they basically have the options “blow hot/cold air on me” instead of “try to maintain this temperature”. I can be quite comfortable in a wide range of temperatures if I can ge…

I have a little fan on my desk both at work and at home because while I may not be too hot or cold, I do like a bit of airflow. I'm sure sitting still causes a local buildup of CO2 or something, plus mental work needs a lot of oxygen and some cooling I'm sure.

Re: The design of in-car climate controls has gone backward

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post #6

Here’s a thing I realized about climate controls that is NOT intuitive - it is not about the temperature/humidity in the car or room! That’s only an accident - it’s about how the person/people feel. So the older cars work closer to that because they basically have the options “blow hot/cold air on me” instead of “try to maintain this temperature”. I can be quite comfortable in a wide range of temperatures if I can ge…

Car temperature controls can work really well, but they need to account for IR radiation through the windows. If the sun is shinning in my lap the comfortable temperature for the air goes down, if it’s snowing outside the comfortable temperature goes up.

On top of this if it’s cold outside I may be wearing very warm clothes in my car and not actually want room temperature.

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