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Rife Is a Framework Experiment

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Re: Rife Is a Framework Experiment

#11

Post by ivolimmen »

isodev wrote: post #2

It’s always nice to see full-stack, batteries included frameworks. However, whenever I see Java, I can’t help but think about Oracle and it turns into a very unpleasant feeling.

As a professional developer that only works on Java I hated the fact that Oracle bought Sun. I was rooting for IBM or Google. If you use the Oracle JDK; yes you MIGHT need to pay money depending on what you use of it. There are around 10 (?) different providers of Java Software Developer Kits available all the others are free. I know no Java developer that actually uses the one from Oracle; and since I am a consultant that works on contract bases at different companies I have spoken quite a few of them.

Re: Rife Is a Framework Experiment

#12

Post by dgb23 »

isodev wrote: post #2

It’s always nice to see full-stack, batteries included frameworks. However, whenever I see Java, I can’t help but think about Oracle and it turns into a very unpleasant feeling.

I don’t quite understand these comments.

Oracle seems to be this big, complicated enterprise oriented corporation. But they’re also stewards of Java and had kept the language evolving with impressive stability and compatibility guarantees.

There are definitely firms that I don’t want to rely on for ethical reasons. They accumulated long lists of malpractices and exploitation. One in particular is very popular around here.

What am I missing here?

Re: Rife Is a Framework Experiment

#14

Post by bzzzt »

isodev wrote: post #2

It’s always nice to see full-stack, batteries included frameworks. However, whenever I see Java, I can’t help but think about Oracle and it turns into a very unpleasant feeling.

Sun did release their Java implementation under GPL in 2006. There are lots of OpenJDK builds from different companies so you don't have to touch anything 'Oracle' to use Java.

Re: Rife Is a Framework Experiment

#15

Post by int_19h »

revskill wrote: post #5

I thought "modern Java" means classless ? Why do i need to put some code inside another superficial class here ?

Only if by "modern Java" you mean Kotlin.

C# has top-level functions and even top-level code these days, but it evolves a lot faster.

Re: Rife Is a Framework Experiment

#16

Post by bzzzt »

ivolimmen wrote: post #11
isodev wrote: post #2

It’s always nice to see full-stack, batteries included frameworks. However, whenever I see Java, I can’t help but think about Oracle and it turns into a very unpleasant feeling.

As a professional developer that only works on Java I hated the fact that Oracle bought Sun. I was rooting for IBM or Google. If you use the Oracle JDK; yes you MIGHT need to pay money depending on what you use of it. There are around 10 (?) different providers of Java Software Developer Kits available all the others are free. I know no Java developer that actually uses the one from Oracle; and since I am a consultan…

The issue with Oracle JDK is you _have_ to pay even if you don't use it. If there's just one person in the company using Oracle JDK they bill you for the entire company headcount.

Earlier licensing practices were not much better; my company did a 'hard purge' a few years ago and everything using Oracle JDK+RDBMS is now running on OpenJDK with a PostgreSQL backend.

Don't know what rooting for Google and/or IBM would help. All companies that size do have their shady side and will sometimes do questionable things. They didn't get to be so big just by being nice...

Re: Rife Is a Framework Experiment

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Post by bzzzt »

revskill wrote: post #5

I thought "modern Java" means classless ? Why do i need to put some code inside another superficial class here ?

"Modern Java" is not formally defined, but most people seem to associate it with Java for Microservices (small runtimes instead of ancient Java EE), functional programming, streams, reactive programming and generally using newer (Java 8+) language constructs.

There's a lot more to it than obsessing over a single line of boilerplate code...

Re: Rife Is a Framework Experiment

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Post by moondowner »

bzzzt wrote: post #16
ivolimmen wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a professional developer that only works on Java I hated the fact that Oracle bought Sun. I was rooting for IBM or Google. If you use the Oracle JDK; yes you MIGHT need to pay money depending on what you use of it. There are around 10 (?) different providers of Java Software Developer Kits available all the others are free. I know no Java developer that actually uses the one from Oracle; and since I am a consultan…

The issue with Oracle JDK is you _have_ to pay even if you don't use it. If there's just one person in the company using Oracle JDK they bill you for the entire company headcount. Earlier licensing practices were not much better; my company did a 'hard purge' a few years ago and everything using Oracle JDK+RDBMS is now running on OpenJDK with a PostgreSQL backend. Don't know what rooting for Google and/or IBM would h…

Why would you need Oracle JDK specifically? There are so many reliable JDK builds by other parties. https://sdkman.io/jdks

I'm personally using Amazon Corretto (is in the SKDMan link)

Re: Rife Is a Framework Experiment

#19

Post by Chris2048 »

dgb23 wrote: post #12
isodev wrote: post #2

It’s always nice to see full-stack, batteries included frameworks. However, whenever I see Java, I can’t help but think about Oracle and it turns into a very unpleasant feeling.

I don’t quite understand these comments. Oracle seems to be this big, complicated enterprise oriented corporation. But they’re also stewards of Java and had kept the language evolving with impressive stability and compatibility guarantees. There are definitely firms that I don’t want to rely on for ethical reasons. They accumulated long lists of malpractices and exploitation. One in particular is very popular around…

Are you asking why Oracle is unethical?

Also, is the "One in particular" MS, Goog, or FB? All get as much skepticism/criticism as praise.

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