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Re: Google is no longer sponsoring Fastlane

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How can Google own the IP if this is open source

As a side note, the requirements in open-source licenses (such as redistributing source yourself, giving attribution, etc.) are only enforceable because of intellectual property. Someone owns the copyright, and often has contributors assign the copyright to them, and they then own the IP. The license grants you conditional authorization to distribute the software, provided you comply with certain requirements. If you fail to do that, it's the copyright holder that can really sue.

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IP =/= copyright See Audacity. Open source but the name is registered trademark and owned by the Muse Group https://www.audacityteam.org/copyright/ https://github.com/audacity/audacity Or Blender also another open source project but registered trademark https://www.blender.org/about/logo/ https://github.com/blender Krita too https://krita.org/en/item/krita-trademark-policy/ https://invent.kde.org/graphics/krita There…

Indeed, Linux is probably the most famous. It's trademarked because someone else tried to trademark "Linux" and then shake down vendors for 10%. It went to court, the trademark troll lost and the trademark itself was assigned to Torvalds. It's now administered by the Linux Mark Institute. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Mark_Institute

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IP =/= copyright See Audacity. Open source but the name is registered trademark and owned by the Muse Group https://www.audacityteam.org/copyright/ https://github.com/audacity/audacity Or Blender also another open source project but registered trademark https://www.blender.org/about/logo/ https://github.com/blender Krita too https://krita.org/en/item/krita-trademark-policy/ https://invent.kde.org/graphics/krita There…

Indeed, Linux is probably the most famous. It's trademarked because someone else tried to trademark "Linux" and then shake down vendors for 10%. It went to court, the trademark troll lost and the trademark itself was assigned to Torvalds. It's now administered by the Linux Mark Institute. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Mark_Institute

That made me wonder, UNIX is also trademarked https://unix.org/trademark.html

And there are handful of OSes registered as UNIX Certified https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/

Yet there is no single "UNIX OS"

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Google holds the copyright and they choose to license their IP under an open source license. You could be thinking of public domain.

So, maintainers can just fork it under different name?

If the (ex-)maintainers work for google, they'd probably not do it. But, legally, they could.

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How can Google own the IP if this is open source

IP =/= copyright See Audacity. Open source but the name is registered trademark and owned by the Muse Group https://www.audacityteam.org/copyright/ https://github.com/audacity/audacity Or Blender also another open source project but registered trademark https://www.blender.org/about/logo/ https://github.com/blender Krita too https://krita.org/en/item/krita-trademark-policy/ https://invent.kde.org/graphics/krita There…

Let me add a very relevant anecdote of the difference between those things.

Kurento the project is Apache-2 open-source, you'll find all its source code here: https://github.com/Kurento/kurento

its website was kurento .org but the trademark of the name (and the domain) is owned by Twilio, who recently had the gesture of redirecting all accesses from this domain to their own, without prior warning. No replies to emails, or reasons stated. Not that they needed one though, as they are indeed the owners and can do whatever they want. Just a nice "contribution" they made to OSS, it seems.

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Indeed, Linux is probably the most famous. It's trademarked because someone else tried to trademark "Linux" and then shake down vendors for 10%. It went to court, the trademark troll lost and the trademark itself was assigned to Torvalds. It's now administered by the Linux Mark Institute. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Mark_Institute

That made me wonder, UNIX is also trademarked https://unix.org/trademark.html And there are handful of OSes registered as UNIX Certified https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/ Yet there is no single "UNIX OS"

The AT&T Unix is probably "the" Unix, if there is one, but the name got sold eventually to The Open Group which licenses it to compliant systems.

So it's now a bit more like x86 (family of similar products that work somewhat similarly, though x86 doesn't need a license any more) rather than Pentium (a product or range from a specific company).

Re: Google is no longer sponsoring Fastlane

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For context, fastlane is “a tool for iOS and Android developers to automate tedious tasks like generating screenshots, dealing with provisioning profiles, and releasing your application.”

https://github.com/fastlane/fastlane

Google seems to have acquired(?) it in 2017: https://krausefx.com/blog/fastlane-is-joining-google I would guess this means they hired the lead developer(s) and funded a team to work on the project.

Re: Google is no longer sponsoring Fastlane

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

IP =/= copyright See Audacity. Open source but the name is registered trademark and owned by the Muse Group https://www.audacityteam.org/copyright/ https://github.com/audacity/audacity Or Blender also another open source project but registered trademark https://www.blender.org/about/logo/ https://github.com/blender Krita too https://krita.org/en/item/krita-trademark-policy/ https://invent.kde.org/graphics/krita There…

Let me add a very relevant anecdote of the difference between those things. Kurento the project is Apache-2 open-source, you'll find all its source code here: https://github.com/Kurento/kurento its website was kurento .org but the trademark of the name (and the domain) is owned by Twilio, who recently had the gesture of redirecting all accesses from this domain to their own, without prior warning. No replies to email…

Wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't a "let's send all the random domains we have lying around to the main site" bulk change and whoever did it didn't realise and if anybody's reading the emails they have no idea where to start finding out who that was.

I mean, that's not exactly great either if true, but I think it's just as much a possibility as this being intentional.

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