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Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by kube-system »

adampk wrote: post #6
causi wrote: post #5

I'm astonished consumers are still paying fifteen thousand dollars to be guinea pigs for this bullshit. No car that currently has tires on the road is going to let you fall asleep in your driveway and wake up at work.

When someone can drive from Palm Springs to SF with no intervention does that not make it bullshit anymore?

The technology is mostly fine. The bullshit is mostly the false expectations they set, and the subsequent risks they choose to take in implementation in order to minimize their expectations miss. Other driving assistance systems try to do less, but they do it honestly.

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by causi »

adampk wrote: post #6
causi wrote: post #5

I'm astonished consumers are still paying fifteen thousand dollars to be guinea pigs for this bullshit. No car that currently has tires on the road is going to let you fall asleep in your driveway and wake up at work.

When someone can drive from Palm Springs to SF with no intervention does that not make it bullshit anymore?

When someone can drive from Palm Springs to SF

Does that mean "stay in the correct lane on the interstate and take the proper exits without hitting anything" or does that mean "begin inside your garage and end inside another garage five hundred miles away without touching anything"? The first one is nearly trivial.

It stops being bullshit when they stop telling the user they need to pay attention to the road, and not one second before.

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Post by DesiLurker »

causi wrote: post #5

I'm astonished consumers are still paying fifteen thousand dollars to be guinea pigs for this bullshit. No car that currently has tires on the road is going to let you fall asleep in your driveway and wake up at work.

How about asleep in your driveway to ER hospital bed? does that qualifies, it might excel in that.

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Post by valryon »

causi wrote: post #5

I'm astonished consumers are still paying fifteen thousand dollars to be guinea pigs for this bullshit. No car that currently has tires on the road is going to let you fall asleep in your driveway and wake up at work.

But you can fall asleep and wake up at work with public transportation.

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Post by millzlane »

valryon wrote: post #14
causi wrote: post #5

I'm astonished consumers are still paying fifteen thousand dollars to be guinea pigs for this bullshit. No car that currently has tires on the road is going to let you fall asleep in your driveway and wake up at work.

But you can fall asleep and wake up at work with public transportation.

Noone is waking you for your stop lol.

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by olliej »

adampk wrote: post #6
causi wrote: post #5

I'm astonished consumers are still paying fifteen thousand dollars to be guinea pigs for this bullshit. No car that currently has tires on the road is going to let you fall asleep in your driveway and wake up at work.

When someone can drive from Palm Springs to SF with no intervention does that not make it bullshit anymore?

FSD requires you to be 100% in control of the vehicle for the entire drive, and paying full attention to the driving, and also do nothing.

This is demonstrably not a task that anyone can do, let alone Joa[n] Average car driver. Highly trained pilots are not expected to do that, and that's when autopilot is being used in a vehicle that can provide significant amounts of time to handle the autopilot going wrong - seriously, when autopilots go wrong in aircraft at cruising altitude pilots can have 10s of seconds, or even minutes, to handle whatever has gone wrong, Tesla's FSD provides people a couple of seconds prior to impact.

That said in countries other than the US people can reliably use trains and buses, which also means that they don't have to intervene in driving the vehicle.

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Post by RajT88 »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #8
adampk wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When someone can drive from Palm Springs to SF with no intervention does that not make it bullshit anymore?

If you have a 99% chance of death - 1% of people are still going to make it. You obviously don't have a 99% chance of death - but just by virtue of it being possible does not also mean it is not BS. You can drive drunk from PS to SF also. What's your point?

I know a Tesla owner. The chance of death (well, a crash anyways) is more like 1%, according to him.

Those odds are good enough for the occasional trip home from a cocktail party, but hardly cost-competitive with Rideshares/Taxis.

How many 9's do we need before we can say it's reliable enough to trust it? A few more, for sure.

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Post by lattalayta »

jonny_eh wrote: post #2

Does a recall like this actually mean owners return their car to Tesla for modification? Or would it be an over-the-air update to remove FSD?

Seems like they should come up with a new phrase to distinguish between making modifications to the car at a dealer or service provider vs. a downloadable update, right?

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by toast0 »

millzlane wrote: post #16
valryon wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you can fall asleep and wake up at work with public transportation.

Noone is waking you for your stop lol.

They might if you live and work at the end of the line.
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