So is it a good or a bad change?
The EU has effectively copied the DMCA, so no.
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#12Bulgaria, Poland and Portugal voted for it. Maybe they should have voted against it in council.
The countries, or their representatives in the EU parliament? Because local elections are separate from the EU ones, so it's entirely possible for their opinions on legislation to diverge.
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#13Bulgaria, Poland and Portugal voted for it. Maybe they should have voted against it in council.
There is a problem with any legislative process that begins with the executive obligating the country to adopt certain specific laws, and only then asks the legislature whether those certain specific laws should become the law of the land.
I don't fully understand the logic of this kind of legislative process. If the EU can make it binding on member states to introduce a certain law, why not perform the entire process at an EU level? If there is some benefit to delegating the task, then why not include the possibility of a national veto at implementation stage, when the nation is more fully informed? It seems to be a process designed and intended to cause conflict and euroscepticism.
Re: EU sues Member States who refuse to bring in new copyright rules
#14Bulgaria, Poland and Portugal voted for it. Maybe they should have voted against it in council.
There is a problem with any legislative process that begins with the executive obligating the country to adopt certain specific laws, and only then asks the legislature whether those certain specific laws should become the law of the land. I don't fully understand the logic of this kind of legislative process. If the EU can make it binding on member states to introduce a certain law, why not perform the entire proces…
> It seems to be a process designed and intended to cause conflict and euroscepticism.
Just like the EU itself, it's a compromise. Every member state wants to have its cake (economic benefits) and eat it, too (full sovereignty).
That can't work because a deep economic integration is... surprise, surprise, a deep political and social integration.
The EU Parliament is probably the only parliament in the world that I know of, that can't introduce new laws.
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#15So is it a good or a bad change?
Copyright law changes aren't good or bad; they serve certain people's interest and harm others'. Is it a good change or a bad change? That depends on what you want out of the law.
The quantity of people on either side is extremely unbalanced. A select few win, most of humanity loses.
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#16Bulgaria, Poland and Portugal voted for it. Maybe they should have voted against it in council.
The countries, or their representatives in the EU parliament? Because local elections are separate from the EU ones, so it's entirely possible for their opinions on legislation to diverge.
The directive was approved by the European parliament and the Council of the EU. The Council of the EU is made up of the governments of the member states of the EU. Therefore, when one says "Portugal voted for the directive", one means "the government of Portugal voted for the directive in the Council of the EU". This was the wrong thing for Portugal (or indeed, any government) to do because no government can guarantee their parliament will change the law in a particular way, and the parliament might indeed prefer to eject the government rather than change the law. In this case, it has bitten Portugal and not Germany, but in principle it could bite any of them. It's a very strange process. It seems like provision should be made for a national veto at the implementation stage, or the entire process should be conducted at the EU stage and directly applicable. But the requirement for a translation into national law without the possibility of rejection at that point seems deeply problematic.
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is a problem with any legislative process that begins with the executive obligating the country to adopt certain specific laws, and only then asks the legislature whether those certain specific laws should become the law of the land. I don't fully understand the logic of this kind of legislative process. If the EU can make it binding on member states to introduce a certain law, why not perform the entire proces…
> It seems to be a process designed and intended to cause conflict and euroscepticism. Just like the EU itself, it's a compromise. Every member state wants to have its cake (economic benefits) and eat it, too (full sovereignty). That can't work because a deep economic integration is... surprise, surprise, a deep political and social integration. The EU Parliament is probably the only parliament in the world that I kn…
The US is very economically integrated with China.
But it is not socially or politically integrated with China.
Same could be said with US/Mexico, China/Taiwan, etc.
The European Project sees social and political integration as ends themselves.
It uses economic advantages as a way to convince voters to adopt policies that aren’t economically required.
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is a problem with any legislative process that begins with the executive obligating the country to adopt certain specific laws, and only then asks the legislature whether those certain specific laws should become the law of the land. I don't fully understand the logic of this kind of legislative process. If the EU can make it binding on member states to introduce a certain law, why not perform the entire proces…
> It seems to be a process designed and intended to cause conflict and euroscepticism. Just like the EU itself, it's a compromise. Every member state wants to have its cake (economic benefits) and eat it, too (full sovereignty). That can't work because a deep economic integration is... surprise, surprise, a deep political and social integration. The EU Parliament is probably the only parliament in the world that I kn…
Introduce new laws (into operation) or introduce new bills (into the agenda)? I thought it could introduce new laws that were directly applicable so long as they were related to certain matters. But the bills for the laws have to be introduced by the commission. The whole thing is sufficiently confusing that I could be wrong.
Anyway, I'm not entirely sure that it is a standard EU compromise. The governments wrote the rules in the context of what must surely be constant disagreements between the parliaments and the governments (at least if the politics of my own non-EU country is anything to go by). I can't believe they didn't know what they were doing - taking power from their own colleagues in parliaments.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It seems to be a process designed and intended to cause conflict and euroscepticism. Just like the EU itself, it's a compromise. Every member state wants to have its cake (economic benefits) and eat it, too (full sovereignty). That can't work because a deep economic integration is... surprise, surprise, a deep political and social integration. The EU Parliament is probably the only parliament in the world that I kn…
The US is very economically integrated with China. But it is not socially or politically integrated with China. Same could be said with US/Mexico, China/Taiwan, etc. The European Project sees social and political integration as ends themselves. It uses economic advantages as a way to convince voters to adopt policies that aren’t economically required.
> The US is very economically integrated with China.
No, it's not. It is slightly economically integrated, and mostly in terms of physical goods.
Are American IP laws applicable in China and the other way around? For example when licensing a Disney movie in the US, can I distribute it in China?
Do you get warranty in China for any good sold in the US and vice versa?
Do both countries use, by law, the same systems of measurements?
That's what deep economic integration looks like.