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Reddit mods and scaling problems in social control

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Re: Reddit mods and scaling problems in social control

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I had a similar experience. Posting some original personal blog, on-topic, long-form, and not commercial in any way, was classed immediately as spam. Concluded that closed user groups were the way to go.

Most social media doesn't like links off-site. Posting the blog post as a Reddit post works better.

Re: Reddit mods and scaling problems in social control

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I think the author doesn't understand that reddit mods don't work for reddit. In their discussion with the mods they mention "site-wide rules" which makes me think they don't understand that the mods of each reddit make their own rules. On that sub, their rules don't allow people who mostly post links to their own site. It's up to you if agree with their rule, but those are the rules they have chosen. The common resp…

>For people who are saying "thankfully HN is different!", it really isn't.

Yes it is. HN's moderation is run by HN. The rules are applied consistently because there are are no third party mods or rules. People know what to expect and that builds community better.

You don't have to wonder if some edgelord mod is going to get home from school and delete your post based on their mood.

Re: Reddit mods and scaling problems in social control

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post #8

I think the author doesn't understand that reddit mods don't work for reddit. In their discussion with the mods they mention "site-wide rules" which makes me think they don't understand that the mods of each reddit make their own rules. On that sub, their rules don't allow people who mostly post links to their own site. It's up to you if agree with their rule, but those are the rules they have chosen. The common resp…

hmm - I didn't get that read about the author at all.

In fact the whole premise of the article (comparing moderation policy differences between different subreddits) - would suggest they totally understand that reddit moderators aren't all pulled from one homogeneous pool of employees.

I think the "site wide" bit was actually brought up by the moderator - referring to the fact that the /r/moviedetails moderation checks your full post history across all of reddit (not just your behavior on /r/moviedetails) and bans you from their subreddit based on that.

Re: Reddit mods and scaling problems in social control

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The problem with reddit mods is that it's like the cops: the people least suited to the job are the ones who are most attracted to it. We end up with subs that effectively have no rules except the random whims of the mods and reddit themselves don't care at all. The comments on reddit reflect this perfectly because it's become more toxic over time, a haven for people interested in the casual abuse of others.

I'd say one difference between reddit mods and the police is that the stakes are really low on reddit.

Arguing or getting upset about mod decisions gives off strong "fight with the bouncer" vibes. Even if you're right, there's no way to "win". The best course of action is to just quietly move on.

Re: Reddit mods and scaling problems in social control

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post #8

I think the author doesn't understand that reddit mods don't work for reddit. In their discussion with the mods they mention "site-wide rules" which makes me think they don't understand that the mods of each reddit make their own rules. On that sub, their rules don't allow people who mostly post links to their own site. It's up to you if agree with their rule, but those are the rules they have chosen. The common resp…

>For people who are saying "thankfully HN is different!", it really isn't. Yes it is. HN's moderation is run by HN. The rules are applied consistently because there are are no third party mods or rules. People know what to expect and that builds community better. You don't have to wonder if some edgelord mod is going to get home from school and delete your post based on their mood.

I think you missed my entire point then.

> HN's moderation is run by HN

No, it's run by a few humans.

> The rules are applied consistently

Yes, because those humans are awesome and consistent.

> because there are are no third party mods or rules.

That's not why reddit is different. It's because a lot of the humans that run the subreddits are inconsistent.

But some run their subreddits just like HN.

If you think of HN as a well run subreddit it makes more sense.

Re: Reddit mods and scaling problems in social control

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post #8

I think the author doesn't understand that reddit mods don't work for reddit. In their discussion with the mods they mention "site-wide rules" which makes me think they don't understand that the mods of each reddit make their own rules. On that sub, their rules don't allow people who mostly post links to their own site. It's up to you if agree with their rule, but those are the rules they have chosen. The common resp…

>In their discussion with the mods they mention "site-wide rules" which makes me think they don't understand that the mods of each reddit make their own rules.

They're referring to the 10% guideline that many subreddits follow:

You should submit from a variety of sources (a general rule of thumb is that 10% or less of your posting and conversation should link to your own content), talk to people in the comments (and not just on your own links), and generally be a good member of the community.

https://www.reddit.com/wiki/selfpromotion/#wiki_here_are_som...

Re: Reddit mods and scaling problems in social control

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post #8

I think the author doesn't understand that reddit mods don't work for reddit. In their discussion with the mods they mention "site-wide rules" which makes me think they don't understand that the mods of each reddit make their own rules. On that sub, their rules don't allow people who mostly post links to their own site. It's up to you if agree with their rule, but those are the rules they have chosen. The common resp…

>For people who are saying "thankfully HN is different!", it really isn't. Yes it is. HN's moderation is run by HN. The rules are applied consistently because there are are no third party mods or rules. People know what to expect and that builds community better. You don't have to wonder if some edgelord mod is going to get home from school and delete your post based on their mood.

You are still incorrectly comparing. The equivalent to HN in Reddit world is a single subreddit. When you compare a single subreddit to HN, you see there aren't many differences at all, a single set of rules being applied as the mods intend.

Re: Reddit mods and scaling problems in social control

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post #8

I think the author doesn't understand that reddit mods don't work for reddit. In their discussion with the mods they mention "site-wide rules" which makes me think they don't understand that the mods of each reddit make their own rules. On that sub, their rules don't allow people who mostly post links to their own site. It's up to you if agree with their rule, but those are the rules they have chosen. The common resp…

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Re: Reddit mods and scaling problems in social control

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Interestingly enough there’s been some mod drama over on /r/AskScienceFiction today. This is a sub where people ask questions and get in universe responses. It’s very nerdy and can be fun. It also can attract a certain type of poster who can be lacking in say, self awareness and take it too seriously.

The new Harry Potter game is generating a lot of posts and a particular mod who has personal reasons to dislike JK Rowling added an auto mod post to the top of each post related to Harry Potter spoiling the game story. They’re unrepentant about it and their responses show what a lack of self awareness in moderation can do. Probably the worst case I’ve seen in a while.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskScienceFiction/comments/10wstqa/...

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