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Colombian judge used ChatGPT to make court decision

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Re: Colombian judge used ChatGPT to make court decision

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Post by IG_Semmelweiss »

8note wrote: post #4

Oh interesting. I didn't realize chatgpt works in multiple languages

the article does a pretty bad job in answering this question, it says there was a translation, and it is implied that what is being talked about is the final decision was translated (by vice?) from spanish, but is silent of any translation of the AI narration, etc

"The arguments for this decision will be determined in line with the use of artificial intelligence (AI),” Garcia wrote in the decision, which was translated from Spanish. “Accordingly, we entered parts of the legal questions posed in these proceedings."

Re: Colombian judge used ChatGPT to make court decision

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Post by donmcronald »

cm2187 wrote: post #6

I am not sure how it works in Colombia but in many countries, court judgements are lengthy documents that summarise all the aspects of a case before detailing the rationale for the decision. It feels awfully inefficient. Any tool that can help this process sounds like a good idea to me. It's no different to ChatGPT generating some dumb boiler plate code that you can adapt, correct and fine tune instead of having to w…

I think it's pretty scary. The judge is asking it to make judgment calls.

> “Has the jurisprudence of the constitutional court made favorable decisions in similar cases?”

Whether or not similar rulings are "favorable" could contain a lot of nuance.

> It feels awfully inefficient.

Good? I think it's important for a judge to have a comprehensive understanding of the current case and all relevant precedents. If they're going to use ChatGPT to inform their opinion, they might as well let it make the ruling.

Imagine if the judge had another person that's not a lawyer read the relevant info and provide a summary / opinion. People would be appalled.

Re: Colombian judge used ChatGPT to make court decision

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Post by tyingq »

jacooper wrote: post #3

TLDR: just to generate the legalese needed for the decision, not the decision it self.

>According to the court document, the legal questions entered into the AI tool included “Is an autistic minor exonerated from paying fees for their therapies?” and “Has the jurisprudence of the constitutional court made favorable decisions in similar cases?”

It does say they were fact checked, but it also seems to leave room for questions. Like, for example, did ChatGPT choose the most appropriate answers/background, or just ones that fact-checked well enough? Might that matter later if the decision is rehashed or used as precedent?

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Post by giancarlostoro »

jacooper wrote: post #3

TLDR: just to generate the legalese needed for the decision, not the decision it self.

This is how I use chatgpt. “Write me an email explaining to stakeholders that we have x” and then I mention as much detail and whatever it spits out I tweak and go from there. I have been told I write amazing emails but my problem is I spend a lot of time thinking my email over way too much, so I like to see how condensed chatgpt gives me of a template so I can reuse it.

I often take a five paragraph email and condense it back down to like three sentences before chagpt, now I can save myself the process.

Re: Colombian judge used ChatGPT to make court decision

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Post by fnordpiglet »

donmcronald wrote: post #12
cm2187 wrote: post #6

I am not sure how it works in Colombia but in many countries, court judgements are lengthy documents that summarise all the aspects of a case before detailing the rationale for the decision. It feels awfully inefficient. Any tool that can help this process sounds like a good idea to me. It's no different to ChatGPT generating some dumb boiler plate code that you can adapt, correct and fine tune instead of having to w…

I think it's pretty scary. The judge is asking it to make judgment calls. > “Has the jurisprudence of the constitutional court made favorable decisions in similar cases?” Whether or not similar rulings are "favorable" could contain a lot of nuance. > It feels awfully inefficient. Good? I think it's important for a judge to have a comprehensive understanding of the current case and all relevant precedents. If they're…

If it’s making reviewed boilerplate how is it making a judgement call?

Having human beings write copious tedious boilerplate isn’t good. It takes the judges mind and applies to tedium rather than using judgement. Further under tedium humans make mistakes.

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Post by luckylion »

cm2187 wrote: post #6

I am not sure how it works in Colombia but in many countries, court judgements are lengthy documents that summarise all the aspects of a case before detailing the rationale for the decision. It feels awfully inefficient. Any tool that can help this process sounds like a good idea to me. It's no different to ChatGPT generating some dumb boiler plate code that you can adapt, correct and fine tune instead of having to w…

And you now need to spend a lot of time on correcting. You need to super-carefully read every sentence, because they all sound correct, but may be factually wrong. Are you really saving time at that point?

You don't need to do that for SEO-copy, but for court judgements? I feel like that's one of those things where you don't want to take shortcuts to save and hour or three.

Re: Colombian judge used ChatGPT to make court decision

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Post by donmcronald »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #15
donmcronald wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's pretty scary. The judge is asking it to make judgment calls. > “Has the jurisprudence of the constitutional court made favorable decisions in similar cases?” Whether or not similar rulings are "favorable" could contain a lot of nuance. > It feels awfully inefficient. Good? I think it's important for a judge to have a comprehensive understanding of the current case and all relevant precedents. If they're…

If it’s making reviewed boilerplate how is it making a judgement call? Having human beings write copious tedious boilerplate isn’t good. It takes the judges mind and applies to tedium rather than using judgement. Further under tedium humans make mistakes.

> “Has the jurisprudence of the constitutional court made favorable decisions in similar cases?”

That's a judgment call because "favorable" is subjective. Someone who gets sent to jail for 1 year might tell you the prosecutor got a favorable ruling while the prosecutor considers it unfavorable because they wanted the person sentenced to 5 years.

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Post by drexlspivey »

rapsey wrote: post #9
8note wrote: post #4

Oh interesting. I didn't realize chatgpt works in multiple languages

Not only that it is probably the best translation engine ever made. It translates incredibly well. This is likely one of the industries that is going to be hit severely.

I tried using it to translate subtitles for a movie and the results were pretty bad. I found DeepL giving marginally better results but those were pretty bad as well. To the point that I uploaded the subtitles in opensubtitles.org and they were taken down because of very low quality.

Re: Colombian judge used ChatGPT to make court decision

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Post by donmcronald »

tyingq wrote: post #13
jacooper wrote: post #3

TLDR: just to generate the legalese needed for the decision, not the decision it self.

> According to the court document, the legal questions entered into the AI tool included “Is an autistic minor exonerated from paying fees for their therapies?” and “Has the jurisprudence of the constitutional court made favorable decisions in similar cases?” It does say they were fact checked, but it also seems to leave room for questions. Like, for example, did ChatGPT choose the most appropriate answers/background…

> Like, for example, did ChatGPT choose the most appropriate answers/background, or just ones that fact-checked well enough?

Yeah. Train it on a rulings that pre-date the civil rights movement and see how great it is.

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Post by hef19898 »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #14
jacooper wrote: post #3

TLDR: just to generate the legalese needed for the decision, not the decision it self.

This is how I use chatgpt. “Write me an email explaining to stakeholders that we have x” and then I mention as much detail and whatever it spits out I tweak and go from there. I have been told I write amazing emails but my problem is I spend a lot of time thinking my email over way too much, so I like to see how condensed chatgpt gives me of a template so I can reuse it. I often take a five paragraph email and conden…

I would honestely have doubts giving an unvetted third party, openai through ChatGPT, access to any prorietery or business relevant information.
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