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43 Hours on the Amtrak Southwest Chief

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Re: 43 Hours on the Amtrak Southwest Chief

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I've done this twice and I'm still jealous! And yeah, not many people you tell can see the appeal. On the other hand, train!

> economy ... gets you no access to the observation car

This wasn't true many years ago. Is this a recent change? Maybe Covid related to keep the amount of contacts down?

Also if you're in coach, you can still reserve a spot in the dining car and pay for your meal (or at least you could). I did that a few times over the course of a trip. Lots of weird characters in coach, for better and for worse. But at least you know why the train is stopped in a crossing to let Amtrak police board, or who the FBI agents are looking for.

I'd describe taking the train as like a condensed driving trip. If you've got a few days to spare getting to your destination, but not the month required for a full cross country road trip, it's definitely worth doing!

Re: 43 Hours on the Amtrak Southwest Chief

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Very pleasant travelogue. I enjoy long distance train travel when I have the time for it, and I think is a pretty helpful post for those considering it.

> Also, economy does not include meals in the dining car and gets you no access to the observation car.

I'm pretty sure observation cars are open to all passengers, regardless of ticket status. Certainly nobody's ever asked me for a ticket when going into one.

Re: 43 Hours on the Amtrak Southwest Chief

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> I could have bought an economy ticket for $150, but sitting for so long was out of the question. If I treat this as a cruise, I want a good level of comfort.

As someone who's done the Crescent (30 hours) and City of New Orleans + Lake Shore Limited (38 hours + layover) on Economy, you get about the same comfort sleeping, just none of the privacy. The seats in Economy are close to the ones in the bedrooms, you just can't lay them completely flat.

What you're paying $1,000 for is privacy and access to a shower.

Also:

> You can get a bedroom or roomette on an Amtrak sleeper car. A roomette fits two people, with the second person having to sleep on a bunk bed contraption under the room’s ceiling. I was going alone on this trip, and a roomette seemed to be the best choice.

The standard bedroom also sleeps two, and all Amtrak beds are "bunk bed contraptions". The bedroom gets you an in-room shower.

Indeed, there are four types of bedrooms:

- bedroom (seat and sofa that convert to beds, in-room shower)

- bedroom suite (two adjoining bedrooms, including both in-room bathrooms)

- family bedroom (4 seats that fold to beds, using the roomette shower shared with the car)

- accessible bedroom (larger wheelchair-friendlier roomette with its own sink, using the roomette shower shared with the car)

> I didn’t care much about which side of the train I was on because the scenery is very similar, no matter which way you look. This is more important if you take a train along the coastline

If you're on a north-south route, sunrises and sunsets matter a lot, not just for viewing but also determining when you wake up and go to sleep.

> I was happy to learn that Chicago has a decent public transit system.

I mean... which one? ;) Glad he did a shot of Malört before he left though, and Union Station is beautiful.

> I immediately noticed a lot of Amish people sitting in the large hall. This is because travel by plane is considered too modern and travel by train appears to be very popular amongst them.

They might've been Mennonites or Hutterites, who are also Anabaptists but don't have Amish rules on public electrical grids or motorized vehicles.

> I had a 7pm reservation and walked over to the car right in front of mine, the restaurant car. Because space is limited, you will sit with other passengers at tables holding 4 people. ... This is why the food is surprisingly delicious.

Some context: This traditional Amtrak dinner service is very recently back after several years of being cut, especially on the west coast. Availability varies by route and ticket type. It used to be on almost all long routes and available to coach passengers too; it might be back for coach passengers on some routes by now, it's been in the works on eastern trains since 2021.

> I spent almost the entire day in the observation car

This is really the key. The observation car, if your line has one, is the best part of the trip.

> For dinner, we closed the place down. The friendly staff had a bottle of wine to empty, and we were there, talking until almost midnight.

This is the thing too, unlike planes where the crews turn over pretty often between flights, a train line's crew is often on for the whole ride and pretty regular. You can get to know them pretty well if you make the effort, and they'll often remember you if you take the same route again.

Re: 43 Hours on the Amtrak Southwest Chief

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post #12

Very pleasant travelogue. I enjoy long distance train travel when I have the time for it, and I think is a pretty helpful post for those considering it. > Also, economy does not include meals in the dining car and gets you no access to the observation car. I'm pretty sure observation cars are open to all passengers, regardless of ticket status. Certainly nobody's ever asked me for a ticket when going into one.

I've seen people being turned around. Not sure if that's what usually happens or if I misinterpreted the situation.

Re: 43 Hours on the Amtrak Southwest Chief

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> I could have bought an economy ticket for $150, but sitting for so long was out of the question. If I treat this as a cruise, I want a good level of comfort. As someone who's done the Crescent (30 hours) and City of New Orleans + Lake Shore Limited (38 hours + layover) on Economy, you get about the same comfort sleeping, just none of the privacy. The seats in Economy are close to the ones in the bedrooms, you just…

> I mean... which one? ;)

I'm from Houston. I'll take any public transport. ;)

Re: 43 Hours on the Amtrak Southwest Chief

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post #12

Very pleasant travelogue. I enjoy long distance train travel when I have the time for it, and I think is a pretty helpful post for those considering it. > Also, economy does not include meals in the dining car and gets you no access to the observation car. I'm pretty sure observation cars are open to all passengers, regardless of ticket status. Certainly nobody's ever asked me for a ticket when going into one.

Things have changed over the last few years on both fronts, and it depends on the line, especially east vs. west and Viewliner vs. Superliner.

Re: 43 Hours on the Amtrak Southwest Chief

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Having taken the Zephyr before, despite not being practical, Amtrak is really stupidly beautiful. There's something stunning in being in the middle of the mountains with nothing around.

The second best thing after the scenery is the spotty cellphone reception, so the only thing to do is to look at the amazing scenery through the window instead of scrolling mindlessly on social media.

Re: 43 Hours on the Amtrak Southwest Chief

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"enjoying comforts like ... the airport lounges." Hah! The credit card rewards ruined these. Now they're all crowded and it's just as hard to find a seat as it is outside the lounge. Plus the food in them isn't that great anymore. The best benefit is usually a better view out the window. Real frequent fliers just get PreCheck+Clear and arrive at the airport closer to departure time. I did this same train journey myse…

>2) Single riders should be given both seats on these journeys. I was like 19 when I did this journey and an unusual middle aged lady was placed next to me. She kept asking me for medicines and fell asleep on my shoulder.

on one hand, I get it -- that experience would drive me nuts and I have had similar stuff occur.

On the other hand , I've had a few good conversations with row-mates in planes.

the forced interaction is getting more and more rare; personally I think it's fun to be taken out of my comfort zone and be shoved into it once in awhile -- plus Amtrak tickets don't need any more excuses to be as poorly priced as possible.

Re: 43 Hours on the Amtrak Southwest Chief

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post #12

Very pleasant travelogue. I enjoy long distance train travel when I have the time for it, and I think is a pretty helpful post for those considering it. > Also, economy does not include meals in the dining car and gets you no access to the observation car. I'm pretty sure observation cars are open to all passengers, regardless of ticket status. Certainly nobody's ever asked me for a ticket when going into one.

I've seen people being turned around. Not sure if that's what usually happens or if I misinterpreted the situation.

Interesting, I stand corrected. I've been on several Amtrak lines across the country in the past couple years, but things have been changing pretty quickly, and I haven't taken that particular line.

Hope you enjoyed your Malort.

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