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Companies save billions of dollars by giving employees fake “manager” titles

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Re: Companies save billions of dollars by giving employees fake “manager” titles

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It's correct. Some people choose status over money. https://robkhenderson.substack.com/p/status-over-money-money...

"The solution, then, is to pay the low-status workers a bit more than they are worth to get them to stay. The high-status workers, in contrast, accept lower pay for the benefit of their lofty positions."

The consequence of this is job title inflation.

https://www.economist.com/business/2022/12/08/the-scourge-of...

Re: Companies save billions of dollars by giving employees fake “manager” titles

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It's correct. Some people choose status over money. https://robkhenderson.substack.com/p/status-over-money-money... "The solution, then, is to pay the low-status workers a bit more than they are worth to get them to stay. The high-status workers, in contrast, accept lower pay for the benefit of their lofty positions." The consequence of this is job title inflation. https://www.economist.com/business/2022/12/08/the-sc…

That’s not what this article is about.

Re: Companies save billions of dollars by giving employees fake “manager” titles

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I worked for a restaurant that did this to me. To make sure I hit the "minimum hours" (when you start talking about hours vs tasks or responsibilities you probably aren't getting into a legitimate salary arrangement) they would have me clock in and out, and I'd get pay stubs with 40 hours (less if I worked less) and the overtime hours paid at $0. They withheld my last paycheck when I quit and stopped responding to my…

As a small government advocate, i have no issue with labor boards.

the alternative is violence or unionization, neither of which are optimal in resolving disputes like these in a civilized and efficient manner.

Re: Companies save billions of dollars by giving employees fake “manager” titles

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My coworkers and I used to joke that at banks, even cleaning staff get VP titles.

Banks hand out VP titles like candy so that the customers think they're hot stuff and being treated well.

People outside the finance industry really buy it too. I think it's because in most companies, VPs are above director. Only in finance, is it below.

Re: Companies save billions of dollars by giving employees fake “manager” titles

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My coworkers and I used to joke that at banks, even cleaning staff get VP titles.

Banks hand out VP titles like candy so that the customers think they're hot stuff and being treated well.

Ahh, but those are not real VPs. Those are likely all AVPs ( less power, less money ) and not VPs or SVPs. Naturally, all the customer sees is a vice-president, but for HR purposes they are 'only' AVPs. I kinda hate it, because I have ridiculous title for HR purposes now myself and I am 'just' IC in real life.

edit: added quotation marks to just. I like being an IC.

Re: Companies save billions of dollars by giving employees fake “manager” titles

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Banks have been doing this for decades. If you're not a VP within 3 months some may wonder if something is wrong with you.

"VP" title is a regulatory requirement because only "bank officers" have legal authority to do certain actions.

Re: Companies save billions of dollars by giving employees fake “manager” titles

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Unlimited time off is another gem they use.

Unlimited is such an absurd word. It should be "Flexible". It should be we will NOT fire you if you take 23.5 days instead of the ideal number of 22. Also, if you take 18 that is not a problem either.

Re: Companies save billions of dollars by giving employees fake “manager” titles

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Banks have been doing this for decades. If you're not a VP within 3 months some may wonder if something is wrong with you.

Banks doing this is for a completely different reason.

Banks aren't trying to stiff their traders out of overtime. They do it because a VP has certain signing power as an executive that regular employees don't.

have been through this many times and very HR department on the sell and buy side says the same thing.

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