It always seems like a bad idea to attempt a technological solution to a legal/social problem. Surely the age of people using services is a purely a social issue - similar to not allowing alcohol to be sold to underage drinkers. This kind of law would be analogous to making a law that alcohol cannot be physically consumed by underage drinkers.
EU chat control law will ban open source operating systems
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#12As an European: good luck with that/buena suerte con ello. It won't last long.
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#13It is almost impossible to obey this law. It shows how uninformed the EU lawmakers are when it comes to technology.
Do you really think they are this stupid? Or just trying to control the public opinion?
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#14I am the first person to appreciate the pro-online-privacy legislation from the EU in the last couple of years. Yet...How can the same organization be behind this? Is it a result of the sheer size of the org, with malevolent people reeking their ugly heads? A more cynical "privacy legislation as a smoke screen with totalitarian measures in the backend"?
Both pro-privacy and anti-privacy have one common theme - more power to the state.
And that's the point of EU bureaucrats. To gather as much power in their fight against both outside forces (e.g. US-based multinationals) and inside forces (member states).
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#15I'm so tired of it all. Countless times it has been tried to enact laws like this. And it's not just this surveillance law that depresses me, reading up on the cyber resilience act just feels to me like it will suck even more fun out of software development, at least in a professional context.
> And it's not just this surveillance law that depresses me, reading up on the cyber resilience act just feels to me like it will suck even more fun out of software development, at least in a professional context.
God forbid people who love to use the title engineer will have to apply the rigour and standards of actual engineering to the work they do.
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#16Seems high time for some civil disobedience. Break the law collectively, let them seek to enforce their ridiculous/draconian laws and explain the knock on effects in court. Alternatively, open source projects that may be effected can withdraw access to their sites and source code and cite the law. Hopefully they forked the code already and don’t need any future updates.
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#17There is absolutely nothing good about this law, and it really will be a disaster if it passes.
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#18It always seems like a bad idea to attempt a technological solution to a legal/social problem. Surely the age of people using services is a purely a social issue - similar to not allowing alcohol to be sold to underage drinkers. This kind of law would be analogous to making a law that alcohol cannot be physically consumed by underage drinkers.
> This kind of law would be analogous to making a law that alcohol cannot be physically consumed by underage drinkers.
We don't have a law like that in place for alcohol, but we do for any number of other substances.
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#19I'm so tired of it all. Countless times it has been tried to enact laws like this. And it's not just this surveillance law that depresses me, reading up on the cyber resilience act just feels to me like it will suck even more fun out of software development, at least in a professional context.
We just have to get used to this being an eternal political fight. There will always be politicians with a desire for control and/or a lack of technical understanding that will try to take control of people's communication in this way.
I guess the best way to counteract this is well funded institutions whose purpose it is to fight that fight for us. I'm using this realization as an occasion to make a donation to the EFF.
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#20I am the first person to appreciate the pro-online-privacy legislation from the EU in the last couple of years. Yet...How can the same organization be behind this? Is it a result of the sheer size of the org, with malevolent people reeking their ugly heads? A more cynical "privacy legislation as a smoke screen with totalitarian measures in the backend"?
I mean, we sent Ursula von der Leyen as head of the commission to the EU who became infamous in Germany for rather having CSAM stay online as long as she could prevent Germans from seeing it…