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Re: Pfizer Responds to Covid Gain of Function Research Claims

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

hnbad wrote: post #9
Digory wrote: post #6

This is responding to an undercover video by the activists at Project Veritas. They have released a video that appears to show a Pfizer director saying they are mutating new COVID lines for vaccine purposes.

For context, this is Project Veritas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas > Project Veritas is an American far-right activist group founded by James O'Keefe in 2010. The group produces deceptively edited videos of its undercover operations, which use secret recordings in an effort to discredit mainstream media organizations and progressive groups. Project Veritas also uses entrapment to generate bad publici…

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Re: Pfizer Responds to Covid Gain of Function Research Claims

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Post by tonetheman »

unlikelymordant wrote: post #10
2-718-281-828 wrote: post #2

„In a limited number of cases when a full virus does not contain any known gain of function mutations, such virus may be engineered to enable the assessment of antiviral activity in cells.“ via https://nitter.net/Tim_Roehn/status/1619281947741806592#m so they practice gain of function. and i bet they don't do that in the us. wasn't there some interesting back and forth about ominous us led bio engineering labs in the…

"It is important to note that these studies are required by U.S. and global regulators for all antiviral products" - i think this bit of the paragraph you highlighted changes the meaning somewhat.

Exactly this.

It is laughable that the conservatives/Republicans/Fascists of my country (US) are all against evil X. And they literally do not understand what evil X is. But they are indeed against it.

It is hard to see what the end game of this nonsense. I am sure there is an ending part to it but so far it is just dummies saying gain of function over and over hoping it sticks.

Re: Pfizer Responds to Covid Gain of Function Research Claims

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Post by willcipriano »

hnbad wrote: post #9
Digory wrote: post #6

This is responding to an undercover video by the activists at Project Veritas. They have released a video that appears to show a Pfizer director saying they are mutating new COVID lines for vaccine purposes.

For context, this is Project Veritas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas > Project Veritas is an American far-right activist group founded by James O'Keefe in 2010. The group produces deceptively edited videos of its undercover operations, which use secret recordings in an effort to discredit mainstream media organizations and progressive groups. Project Veritas also uses entrapment to generate bad publici…

For more context, they consistently win defamation lawsuits and the chorus of "this is out of context" folks never seem to be able to provide any. Look up "Project Veritas RETRACTO" on YouTube to find their ongoing series where mainstream journalists have been forced to retract statements made about Veritas hundreds of times due to them being inaccurate.

Re: Pfizer Responds to Covid Gain of Function Research Claims

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Post by fidgewidge »

Digory wrote: post #6

This is responding to an undercover video by the activists at Project Veritas. They have released a video that appears to show a Pfizer director saying they are mutating new COVID lines for vaccine purposes.

It actually does show that, albeit he says they're considering/planning on doing it, not doing it right now. The clips where he talks about it are long and with plenty of context, the man in question does indeed have the title Veritas claimed for him (although they are now trying to scrub his internet presence), and when he was confronted with the recordings he freaked out and attacked the reporters.

On every thread about Veritas recordings, there's always people like hnbad who try to stop people watching the videos by labelling it as "far right" i.e. if you're progressive, you're not allowed to look. It's just more lies. There's nothing "far right" about what they do. The people in the videos literally speak for themselves, and often admit to the worst case scenarios that had previously been considered absurd conspiracy theories. Pfizer planning to create COVID variants so they can later sell vaccines for them - tinfoil crazy uncle stuff, except it comes direct from the mouth of a Pfizer employee who has been briefed on the initiative.

Re: Pfizer Responds to Covid Gain of Function Research Claims

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Post by ethanbond »

psychphysic wrote: post #3

Can someone explain this it's probably not relevant but baffles me why it's never spoken about. Let's say you were tasked with making a virus like COVID-19. How would you go about it? I think the answers obvious you take a potential source virus like the coronaviruses in bats and expose humans. You could literally culture the virus and inject it into a human. Let's put on tinfoil hats, and say you could run this expe…

Who says it’d be impossible to bioengineer COVID? Never heard that claim.

Re: Pfizer Responds to Covid Gain of Function Research Claims

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Post by ethanbond »

machina_ex_deus wrote: post #8
willcipriano wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You form a group, call it something like Eco Health Alliance, and the give financial stakes like offering to put names on any future patents to members of the NIH and FDA making it in their best personal interest to approve your "not gain of function", but really gain of function research in Wuhan China, then sit back the let the Chinese figure out the particulars. If it escapes the lab, just order the evidence delet…

Just make sure you have the world media prepared with an appropriate wargame to simulate what would happen if an unrelated coronavirus would start spreading. Give it a boring name like event 201. Since it's all out in the open it's clearly not a conspiracy. Then have the world media present you as the Oracle of Delphi because you had such an accurate prediction.

Doesn’t take a genius to know live animal markets in urban centers are risky and that respiratory viruses can emerge + spread.

Re: Pfizer Responds to Covid Gain of Function Research Claims

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Post by ren_engineer »

unlikelymordant wrote: post #10
2-718-281-828 wrote: post #2

„In a limited number of cases when a full virus does not contain any known gain of function mutations, such virus may be engineered to enable the assessment of antiviral activity in cells.“ via https://nitter.net/Tim_Roehn/status/1619281947741806592#m so they practice gain of function. and i bet they don't do that in the us. wasn't there some interesting back and forth about ominous us led bio engineering labs in the…

"It is important to note that these studies are required by U.S. and global regulators for all antiviral products" - i think this bit of the paragraph you highlighted changes the meaning somewhat.

big pharma definitely isn't known for handing large sums of money to regulators and outright creating many regulations to entrench themselves and creating a moat for startups. These multi-billion dollar multinational corporations having nothing but the publics best interest at heart and don't care about profit at all

Re: Pfizer Responds to Covid Gain of Function Research Claims

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Post by nradov »

psychphysic wrote: post #3

Can someone explain this it's probably not relevant but baffles me why it's never spoken about. Let's say you were tasked with making a virus like COVID-19. How would you go about it? I think the answers obvious you take a potential source virus like the coronaviruses in bats and expose humans. You could literally culture the virus and inject it into a human. Let's put on tinfoil hats, and say you could run this expe…

Some experimental gain-of-function work has been done by passaging viruses through transgenic animals such as mice that have been modified to have more human-like respiratory systems. So, it wouldn't strictly be necessary to use human test subjects.

Re: Pfizer Responds to Covid Gain of Function Research Claims

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Post by hotpotamus »

fidgewidge wrote: post #14
Digory wrote: post #6

This is responding to an undercover video by the activists at Project Veritas. They have released a video that appears to show a Pfizer director saying they are mutating new COVID lines for vaccine purposes.

It actually does show that, albeit he says they're considering/planning on doing it, not doing it right now. The clips where he talks about it are long and with plenty of context, the man in question does indeed have the title Veritas claimed for him (although they are now trying to scrub his internet presence), and when he was confronted with the recordings he freaked out and attacked the reporters. On every thread…

You insult the intelligence of anyone to suggest that Project Veritas does not have a right-wing political agenda. Whether it is "far" to the right, I don't know. I'd certainly be curious to see the videos if they were to turn their spycraft/journalism (I'll admit there may be some overlap in those) on powerful right-wing figures, but we both know that will not be happening.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that a vaccine maker is doing research on the virus and what all that entails. What would strike me as "tinfoil crazy uncle" stuff would be if he had said they had plans to release new viruses in order to sell vaccines. But who knows - the profit incentive can drive all sorts of innovation - especially in medicine where the stakes are life and death.

Re: Pfizer Responds to Covid Gain of Function Research Claims

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Post by eurticket »

nradov wrote: post #18
psychphysic wrote: post #3

Can someone explain this it's probably not relevant but baffles me why it's never spoken about. Let's say you were tasked with making a virus like COVID-19. How would you go about it? I think the answers obvious you take a potential source virus like the coronaviruses in bats and expose humans. You could literally culture the virus and inject it into a human. Let's put on tinfoil hats, and say you could run this expe…

Some experimental gain-of-function work has been done by passaging viruses through transgenic animals such as mice that have been modified to have more human-like respiratory systems. So, it wouldn't strictly be necessary to use human test subjects.

This must be what theyve been calling 'humanized mice.'
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