Russia produces first set of Poseidon super torpedoes

Post by gdy » Fri, Jan 20, 2023, 11:49 PM UTC

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Gaslighting much?

No evidence was found that a Ukrainian (or another) S200 missile hit the plane. 20 years passed - no evidence found. Moreover, now we know the name of Russian officer of air defense who ordered to shut the plane, we know that he did that because transponder was turned off on the plane, because the plane was on mission to gather intel about air defense in EU, but you still insist on replaying Russian propaganda?

Post by gdy » Sat, Jan 21, 2023, 1:32 PM UTC

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Ukrainian Ministry of Defense paid $15 mln to the victims, but then lawsuits followed demanding more money and the Ukraine suddenly started to deny its guilt. Classic story.

Tu-154 was hit by S300 rocket filled with TNT, not by S200 rocket filled by hexogen. Ukraine had no S300. End of story. Yeah, it's the classic example of Russian propaganda machine: Russia blamed somebody else for their own error, then no evidence found for that blame, but it is too late to change opinion of peoples.

Post by gdy » Sat, Jan 21, 2023, 6:20 PM UTC

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And why did Ukrainian MoD paid 15 million dollars to the victims' families exactly?

Because it was not clear, from the beginning, who shot the plane.

Post by gdy » Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 11:08 AM UTC

drran wrote: post #17

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And paying millions of dollars is what people do when something is not clear.

Russia shot the plane and paid nothing, but you blame Ukraine instead because Ukraine helped. FYI, Ukraine continues to pay money to victims of Russian attacks. This makes Ukraine responsible for Russian attacks in your eyes, right?

Post by gdy » Mon, Jan 23, 2023, 10:02 PM UTC

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'because Ukraine helped' Ukraine didn't 'help', it paid compensation to the families of Israeli and Russian passengers [0]. 'Ukraine continues to pay money to victims of Russian attacks' Who are Ukrainian citizens and the Ukraine blames Russia from the beginning. Nothing similar at all. [0] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/13...

Ukraine did not pay $15 million to relatives of victims of the crash, because court decided that the Ukrainian rocket did not hit the plane. Final decision was in 2013.