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CEOs at Disney and Starbucks demand that workers start returning to the office

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Re: CEOs at Disney and Starbucks demand that workers start returning to the office

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I don't know about Starbucks, but there's plenty of resentment among manufacturing workers that their white-collar counterparts get to sit at home

How does the working environment of the white-collar employees affect the working environment of the blue-collar employees in this case?

Re: CEOs at Disney and Starbucks demand that workers start returning to the office

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post #11
post #5

I don't know about Starbucks, but there's plenty of resentment among manufacturing workers that their white-collar counterparts get to sit at home

How does the working environment of the white-collar employees affect the working environment of the blue-collar employees in this case?

It doesn't, it's just standard crab-bucket mentality

Re: CEOs at Disney and Starbucks demand that workers start returning to the office

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I don't know about Starbucks, but there's plenty of resentment among manufacturing workers that their white-collar counterparts get to sit at home

Is this meant to be an argument against remote work? If so, it's a strange one. Some working conditions are better than others. Some jobs are better than others. Some jobs pay more than others, often a lot more. Should everyone who makes more money than manufacturing workers take a pay cut? Alternatively, should everyone who makes less money than manufacturing workers get a pay raise? Inequality is a fact of capitali…

It’s not an argument, it’s just a positive claim. You’ve projected a bunch of normative angles on to it, but there are none.

The more interesting follow up questions are to what degree is this true, how do we know, and do we think this is a factor in back-to-office mandates.

Re: CEOs at Disney and Starbucks demand that workers start returning to the office

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this meant to be an argument against remote work? If so, it's a strange one. Some working conditions are better than others. Some jobs are better than others. Some jobs pay more than others, often a lot more. Should everyone who makes more money than manufacturing workers take a pay cut? Alternatively, should everyone who makes less money than manufacturing workers get a pay raise? Inequality is a fact of capitali…

It’s not an argument, it’s just a positive claim. You’ve projected a bunch of normative angles on to it, but there are none. The more interesting follow up questions are to what degree is this true, how do we know, and do we think this is a factor in back-to-office mandates.

> It’s not an argument, it’s just a positive claim. You’ve projected a bunch of normative angles on to it, but there are none.

You've projected an interpretation onto bluedino's words. I'd like to hear the OP explain why this alleged resentment was mentioned here.

Re: CEOs at Disney and Starbucks demand that workers start returning to the office

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I know, right? I thought COVID proved definitively that remote work is not just possible but equal to in-office work. I really want to understand the counterarguments, but all I see is oblique assertions like "true creativity requires body language." I'm keeping an open mind, and I acknowledge that in-person chat features much higher comm bandwidth than video chat, but I'd like to see a well-reasoned explanation of w…

I've been working from home since March of 2020. I mostly like it, but I would be willing to go in to an office for team meetings now and then. After almost three years, I have definitely come to see and desire some in-person interactions. But for CEOs to just demand that people be in the office for some arbitrary number of days per week on a vague assertion stinks. It also assumes that everyone's personality and wor…

I think what most people that want some limited office time would really like would be the equivalent of an off-site somewhere with their team. Like 2-4 times per year the team meets up in some city, hacks together for a few days, does fun team building stuff, etc. It could probably be done for cheaper than the equivalent office space for that team.

Re: CEOs at Disney and Starbucks demand that workers start returning to the office

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Missing in a lot of discussion about “return to office” is that someone (maybe these same CEOs) had made offices completely intolerable even before the pandemic by introducing the “open plan” office layout where you can’t work because the constant noise makes it impossible and you have no personal space and no privacy.

Small wonder workers don’t want to return to the office when they’re treated like chickens in an industrial henhouse there.

Re: CEOs at Disney and Starbucks demand that workers start returning to the office

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post #10
post #5

I don't know about Starbucks, but there's plenty of resentment among manufacturing workers that their white-collar counterparts get to sit at home

Is this meant to be an argument against remote work? If so, it's a strange one. Some working conditions are better than others. Some jobs are better than others. Some jobs pay more than others, often a lot more. Should everyone who makes more money than manufacturing workers take a pay cut? Alternatively, should everyone who makes less money than manufacturing workers get a pay raise? Inequality is a fact of capitali…

Workers seeking the best possible conditions for themselves can extend to white collar workers desiring to work from home.

If I’ve got to work a dozen or more weekends a year, and 50 nights a year when I can only deploy during non business hours (until 9pm), then by god I don’t need to suffer a commute in an expensive city to sit through my coworkers sharing YouTube videos and dad jokes nonstop.

Re: CEOs at Disney and Starbucks demand that workers start returning to the office

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post #5

I don't know about Starbucks, but there's plenty of resentment among manufacturing workers that their white-collar counterparts get to sit at home

White-collar counterparts sitting at home = much less traffic for the manufacturing workers ...

Re: CEOs at Disney and Starbucks demand that workers start returning to the office

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From the article - “While an agreement had been reached last year to work one to two days per week in the office, badge swipes indicated many employees “are not meeting their minimum promise,””

Reminded me of this quote from Office Space.

“Look, we want you to express yourself, okay? Now if you feel that the bare minimum is enough, then okay. But some people choose to wear more and we encourage that, okay? You do want to express yourself, don't you?”

I mean, employers are free to make whatever policies they want and employees are free to stay or leave. I think things have their own way of normalizing.

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