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Friday night’s near-disaster at JFK airport

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Re: Friday night’s near-disaster at JFK airport

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Are we're relying on pilots who are holding many many things in their heads to follow only the verbal directions of air traffic control? Two alternatives that I would think would be fairly easy to implement. 1) Google maps style directions input by air traffic control showing as well as telling the pilot what runway/path to runway to take. 2) Coloured lighting directing the pilot to the right runway via the correct p…

My understanding is that there is a shit ton that is and always has been happening in this area. Air safety is the leading sector in standards for safety training.

We are relying on checklists, procedures, surveillance tech, simulation training, certification, re-certification etc. etc. No other industry has put in as much thought into these problems. Except for maybe the military.

Source: I had the opportunity to meet and participate in crisis resource management training for surgeons held by a trainer from pilot training industry. Everyone’s mind was blown because surgery is comparatively in the Middle Ages.

Based on seeing and hearing about it I believe that more ideas have been studied and tested than you’d expect. Cognitive overload in crisis situations is a well researched problem. Probably hard finding links on the subject though.

Re: Friday night’s near-disaster at JFK airport

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> strong kudos are due both to the air traffic controller who called off the Delta 737 and to the pilots of that plane who managed to abort their takeoff and stop the aircraft before it crossed runway 31L where the Boeing widebody passed in front of it

Can't agree more

Re: Friday night’s near-disaster at JFK airport

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>I hate that they call this having a "near-collision" >They came close to having a collision What? >but there was nothing like any sort of collision Because "near"

No bad thing happened, except Delta cancelling its flight. The bad thing was prevented by quick action.

Re: Friday night’s near-disaster at JFK airport

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I hate that they call this having a "near-collision" >They came close to having a collision What? >but there was nothing like any sort of collision Because "near"

No bad thing happened, except Delta cancelling its flight. The bad thing was prevented by quick action.

>No bad thing happened

Right, because "near." It's in the title.

Re: Friday night’s near-disaster at JFK airport

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Are we're relying on pilots who are holding many many things in their heads to follow only the verbal directions of air traffic control? Two alternatives that I would think would be fairly easy to implement. 1) Google maps style directions input by air traffic control showing as well as telling the pilot what runway/path to runway to take. 2) Coloured lighting directing the pilot to the right runway via the correct p…

My understanding is that there is a shit ton that is and always has been happening in this area. Air safety is the leading sector in standards for safety training. We are relying on checklists, procedures, surveillance tech, simulation training, certification, re-certification etc. etc. No other industry has put in as much thought into these problems. Except for maybe the military. Source: I had the opportunity to me…

Space flight is the one industry with a better track record I’d say.

Re: Friday night’s near-disaster at JFK airport

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I hate that they call this having a "near-collision" >They came close to having a collision What? >but there was nothing like any sort of collision Because "near"

No bad thing happened, except Delta cancelling its flight. The bad thing was prevented by quick action.

"Near collision" in this case is perfectly ordinary english phrasing. It does not assert a collision happened.
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