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The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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Re: The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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If you have some cash to spend, the 911 was just released in a limited Dakar edition, incl. the OG Rothmans decals. Work of art.

Is there a 959 version? Those cars are absolutely astonishing

Sure, if you have 7 figures to spare. Best story: https://www.motorbiscuit.com/bill-gates-illegal-porsche-sat-...

Re: The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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Rally in the 80s until 1986 was insane. There was the class B with some of the most powerful rally cars ever built. If you see older insane rally videos, it is usually from class B.

The Porsche 959 never participated in group B races, and it would have been really interesting to see it competing with Audi Quattro and Lancia Delta.

unfortunately in 1986 there were several tragic accidents, resulted in the end of group b.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_B

Here are some scenes from group B that give a feeling how intense and dangerous it was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRtyT9WQzdY

Re: The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a 959 version? Those cars are absolutely astonishing

Sure, if you have 7 figures to spare. Best story: https://www.motorbiscuit.com/bill-gates-illegal-porsche-sat-...

Yup. Pretty outrageous. I don't think it is custom's place to decide if the owner is gong to drive it on the public roads or only on the track. That should be up to the state Motor Vehicle Departments whether to grant it roadworthiness certs and license plates, or not.

He should have been able to import it and at least sit it in his driveway, or take it to the track, even if he can't drive it to work. There are plenty of purpose-built racecars that are street-illegal; they get towed to the track and have fun.

Now, if he'd filled out the paperwork stating it was a road car, then likely US DOT rules came into play, but still, seems not the place of customs to enforce since there are legal options.

Re: The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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> In the truck class, the surprise winners [in the 1986 rally] were Giacomo Vismara and Giulio Minelli in the Mercedes support truck for the Honda of Italy bike team. The Dakar Rally is such a crazy event, and that a support team can also win, even if the team they were supported didn't, or even had to retire before reaching the finish line. What others sports could you even achieve something like that?

Long distance running! Sometimes hares get impatient. [1]

[1] https://www.archyde.com/a-hare-wins-a-marathon-and-qualifies...

Re: The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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> In the truck class, the surprise winners [in the 1986 rally] were Giacomo Vismara and Giulio Minelli in the Mercedes support truck for the Honda of Italy bike team. The Dakar Rally is such a crazy event, and that a support team can also win, even if the team they were supported didn't, or even had to retire before reaching the finish line. What others sports could you even achieve something like that?

Cycling is the obvious example - it's completely reasonable to go into a race as a support rider but end up, say, in a breakaway group that was successful while the team captain stayed with the main peloton.

It's not possible to win a whole tour that way, but if you build up a lead over your captain in the first few stages, your director might decide to switch tactics and have the team support you after that.

Re: The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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> In the truck class, the surprise winners [in the 1986 rally] were Giacomo Vismara and Giulio Minelli in the Mercedes support truck for the Honda of Italy bike team. The Dakar Rally is such a crazy event, and that a support team can also win, even if the team they were supported didn't, or even had to retire before reaching the finish line. What others sports could you even achieve something like that?

Also Mercedes unimog is a beast

Re: The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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post #17

> In the truck class, the surprise winners [in the 1986 rally] were Giacomo Vismara and Giulio Minelli in the Mercedes support truck for the Honda of Italy bike team. The Dakar Rally is such a crazy event, and that a support team can also win, even if the team they were supported didn't, or even had to retire before reaching the finish line. What others sports could you even achieve something like that?

Cycling is the obvious example - it's completely reasonable to go into a race as a support rider but end up, say, in a breakaway group that was successful while the team captain stayed with the main peloton. It's not possible to win a whole tour that way, but if you build up a lead over your captain in the first few stages, your director might decide to switch tactics and have the team support you after that.

The Vuelta of Spain was supposed to be a win for Bradley Wiggins, but his support Chris Froome faired much better. After Kobo lost, at the jury table, the win was awarded to Froome, then a support cyclist.
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