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Re: Recent improvements to Safari

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Post by mullingitover »

bigDinosaur wrote: post #7
can16358p wrote: post #4

I don't really know about all the details of those metrics but I know one thing: Safari is smooth. Actually it was just perfect in the previous years too for me anyway. It just works and works super-efficient. That's why I use it. The only reason I have Chrome installed is to test my websites with Chrome and use MetaMask. TBH I never understood why people use Chrome on a Mac unless there is a specific extension or si…

You can't do proper adblocking (e.g. uBlock Origin) on Safari. That's why I don't really use it except when on battery and out travelling - and even then I'll often avoid using Safari since ads are so awful. Yes, I've tried the Safari adblockers, they suck. As far as I can tell they do marginally more at best than a DNS block. Once you can't use uBlock Origin with Chrome due to the proposed Manifest V3, Firefox will…

Same. Safari has always been very performant, but it doesn't matter when you're basically running around naked without ublock.

Re: Recent improvements to Safari

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Post by spudlyo »

bigDinosaur wrote: post #7
can16358p wrote: post #4

I don't really know about all the details of those metrics but I know one thing: Safari is smooth. Actually it was just perfect in the previous years too for me anyway. It just works and works super-efficient. That's why I use it. The only reason I have Chrome installed is to test my websites with Chrome and use MetaMask. TBH I never understood why people use Chrome on a Mac unless there is a specific extension or si…

You can't do proper adblocking (e.g. uBlock Origin) on Safari. That's why I don't really use it except when on battery and out travelling - and even then I'll often avoid using Safari since ads are so awful. Yes, I've tried the Safari adblockers, they suck. As far as I can tell they do marginally more at best than a DNS block. Once you can't use uBlock Origin with Chrome due to the proposed Manifest V3, Firefox will…

I've read that uBlock Origin remains difficult to circumvent by anti-adblock techniques employed on sites today, and the sites where ads are blocked by Safari's content blockers simply haven't made the effort yet. I don't have any experience in this area, and would love someone who does to chime in.

Re: Recent improvements to Safari

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Post by celsoazevedo »

can16358p wrote: post #4

I don't really know about all the details of those metrics but I know one thing: Safari is smooth. Actually it was just perfect in the previous years too for me anyway. It just works and works super-efficient. That's why I use it. The only reason I have Chrome installed is to test my websites with Chrome and use MetaMask. TBH I never understood why people use Chrome on a Mac unless there is a specific extension or si…

Profiles and extensions, mostly.

It's very easy to use and switch between profiles on Chrome. Firefox is not as good here, but at least they have container tabs.

Regarding extensions, it's not only the number of extensions available, but what they're capable of doing and the process of discovering them. Sure, you can buy some extension to block ads, but it's still not as capable as the free and open source uBlock Origin. You can hide cookies popups, but probably not auto click the "deny" button like some extensions do.

Safari is also a bit too simple for me. I like things that "just work", but also have some control over things. Chrome offers a good compromise, I think. Firefox gives you more power, but their UI isn't as polished as Chrome.

I like Safari's power usage but since I got a M1 MBP, I don't worry about the battery life that much anymore, so the higher drain from Chrome/Firefox doesn't affect me.

Re: Recent improvements to Safari

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Post by tambourine_man »

Derided by whom? From an end user point of view, Safari is the best browser, hands down, on any platform, by a long shot.

Performance, smoothness, battery life, mobile integration, password management, the list goes on.

I had to support and still know by heart the bugs and idiosyncrasies of IE 5, 6, 7, 8 etc. I have no sympathy for people who say Safari is the new IE.

Re: Recent improvements to Safari

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Post by ridiculous_fish »

loopdoend wrote: post #3

I love how Safari fills in OTP codes from SMS messages automatically. I know you’re not supposed to use them but so many services still do.

This is such a cool feature on Macs. My iPhone receives the OTP via text message, it gets forwarded to Messages on my Mac, and then desktop Safari offers to enter the code. It all takes less than a second. Do other platforms have this? Honest question, I have no idea.

Re: Recent improvements to Safari

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Post by tambourine_man »

tambourine_man wrote: post #15

Derided by whom? From an end user point of view, Safari is the best browser, hands down, on any platform, by a long shot. Performance, smoothness, battery life, mobile integration, password management, the list goes on. I had to support and still know by heart the bugs and idiosyncrasies of IE 5, 6, 7, 8 etc. I have no sympathy for people who say Safari is the new IE.

It’s also a great Mac app. Open a link in a new tab or window, frontmost or background? What happens by default, what keyboard shortcuts should work in each case? No browser has a better answer to these questions.

Also, Cocoa text niceties work as expected. Multi language spelling, dictionary, text to speech…

I’m a huge fan, one of the best apps Apple ever made. It made the iPhone possible.

Re: Recent improvements to Safari

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Post by WirelessGigabit »

loopdoend wrote: post #3

I love how Safari fills in OTP codes from SMS messages automatically. I know you’re not supposed to use them but so many services still do.

I think this is more because Safari has access to that data. Other applications do not, as they are second-class citizens on Mac OS.

Re: Recent improvements to Safari

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Post by guessmyname »

bigDinosaur wrote: post #7
can16358p wrote: post #4

I don't really know about all the details of those metrics but I know one thing: Safari is smooth. Actually it was just perfect in the previous years too for me anyway. It just works and works super-efficient. That's why I use it. The only reason I have Chrome installed is to test my websites with Chrome and use MetaMask. TBH I never understood why people use Chrome on a Mac unless there is a specific extension or si…

You can't do proper adblocking (e.g. uBlock Origin) on Safari. That's why I don't really use it except when on battery and out travelling - and even then I'll often avoid using Safari since ads are so awful. Yes, I've tried the Safari adblockers, they suck. As far as I can tell they do marginally more at best than a DNS block. Once you can't use uBlock Origin with Chrome due to the proposed Manifest V3, Firefox will…

I have been using AdGuard for Safari [1] for years and it works great.

Alternatively, many VPN providers offer ad-blocking services, e.g. Mullvad [2].

Both of them use EasyList [3], and you can enhance it yourself with additional (custom) filters.

[1] https://github.com/AdguardTeam/AdGuardForSafari

[2] https://mullvad.net/en/blog/2021/5/27/how-set-ad-blocking-ou...

[3] https://easylist.to

Re: Recent improvements to Safari

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Post by lilyball »

bigDinosaur wrote: post #7
can16358p wrote: post #4

I don't really know about all the details of those metrics but I know one thing: Safari is smooth. Actually it was just perfect in the previous years too for me anyway. It just works and works super-efficient. That's why I use it. The only reason I have Chrome installed is to test my websites with Chrome and use MetaMask. TBH I never understood why people use Chrome on a Mac unless there is a specific extension or si…

You can't do proper adblocking (e.g. uBlock Origin) on Safari. That's why I don't really use it except when on battery and out travelling - and even then I'll often avoid using Safari since ads are so awful. Yes, I've tried the Safari adblockers, they suck. As far as I can tell they do marginally more at best than a DNS block. Once you can't use uBlock Origin with Chrome due to the proposed Manifest V3, Firefox will…

I use Wipr and I rarely ever see an ad
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