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New video of Tesla crash demonstrates the problem of semi-automated driving

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Re: New video of Tesla crash demonstrates the problem of semi-automated driving

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This is a bug in the meat, and is not going away. The problems are well understood, thanks to decades of examples in semi-automated trains, boats, airplanes, and industrial monitoring systems.

Until "self driving" is good enough that you're legally allowed to ride it drunk, it should not be allowed to do anything more complicated than radar cruise and lane-keeping.

Re: New video of Tesla crash demonstrates the problem of semi-automated driving

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This is a bug in the meat, and is not going away. The problems are well understood, thanks to decades of examples in semi-automated trains, boats, airplanes, and industrial monitoring systems. Until "self driving" is good enough that you're legally allowed to ride it drunk, it should not be allowed to do anything more complicated than radar cruise and lane-keeping.

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Re: New video of Tesla crash demonstrates the problem of semi-automated driving

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I have a VW Golf and it has what it calls "adaptive cruise control". What makes it different from my older (simple) cruise control is that it will slow down and speed up again as necessary without my intervention. For example, if I set the speed to 70 mph and it gets close to a car ahead that is only going 65 mph, it will slow down and maintain what the software believes is a safe distance. Similarly, if a car in an…

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Re: New video of Tesla crash demonstrates the problem of semi-automated driving

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Cars fail and need to pull over regularly. It's hard to understand why this particular incident is all that notable.

IMO cars should be very very good at what they try to do, and not pretend to do anything more. Tesla has way too many flaky features (that customers have to pay for) for a product that can kill people. I'm fine with what Waymo and Cruise are trying to do where the car is expected to never make dangerous mistakes in the circumstances it will run (with consequences for the company), but Tesla's target of doing everything fine most of the time but still doing stupid stuff frequently is not OK.

Re: New video of Tesla crash demonstrates the problem of semi-automated driving

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post #4

I have a VW Golf and it has what it calls "adaptive cruise control". What makes it different from my older (simple) cruise control is that it will slow down and speed up again as necessary without my intervention. For example, if I set the speed to 70 mph and it gets close to a car ahead that is only going 65 mph, it will slow down and maintain what the software believes is a safe distance. Similarly, if a car in an…

I would never want that though. It should change lanes and pass.

It can if they want it to. It’s a car.

Re: New video of Tesla crash demonstrates the problem of semi-automated driving

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post #4

I have a VW Golf and it has what it calls "adaptive cruise control". What makes it different from my older (simple) cruise control is that it will slow down and speed up again as necessary without my intervention. For example, if I set the speed to 70 mph and it gets close to a car ahead that is only going 65 mph, it will slow down and maintain what the software believes is a safe distance. Similarly, if a car in an…

I would never want that though. It should change lanes and pass.

It’s very useful on long drives since you don’t have to constantly adjust your speed by little bits (manually or adjusting the cruise control setting).

Takes a moment to moment mental load off so you can focus on the other cars around you better.

If the cars ahead of me are slowing down significantly I disengage and go manual until I have a better idea what’s going on.

My car can supposedly stop completely that way. I’ve never tried that, as it gets very slow (relative to highway) it’s willing to get way closer to the vehicle in front me than I am. I trust it (in theory). But it’s not worth testing.

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