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> Ahh, trying to deflect the spotlight from your comrades, eh Ivan? Your ad hominem makes it clear that you have no arguments to present. I don't have a dog in the US domestic politics race. I'm neither a US citizen nor live anywhere close to the US. I do have some knowledge into the volume of support from Ukraine's allies declared so far, and the US is by far the largest supporter. Only recently did the EU collectiv…
Kevin McCarthy ‘Agreed to Cut Aid to Ukraine’ to Secure US Speaker Role
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Re: Kevin McCarthy ‘Agreed to Cut Aid to Ukraine’ to Secure US Speaker Role
#12The sources are “afp and rt” - that’s “Russia Today.” The website includes articles with titles: “Russia: Ukrainian Special Services Prepare Major Anti-Moscow False Flag in Kharkov” and “Ukraine Truce Ordered by Putin Takes Effect as West Vows to Send Heavy Weaponry.” This is a Russian propaganda site. They’re trying to demoralize Ukraine by claiming the US can’t be relied upon. Edit: I’m trying to find a reputable s…
Re: Kevin McCarthy ‘Agreed to Cut Aid to Ukraine’ to Secure US Speaker Role
#13The sources are “afp and rt” - that’s “Russia Today.” The website includes articles with titles: “Russia: Ukrainian Special Services Prepare Major Anti-Moscow False Flag in Kharkov” and “Ukraine Truce Ordered by Putin Takes Effect as West Vows to Send Heavy Weaponry.” This is a Russian propaganda site. They’re trying to demoralize Ukraine by claiming the US can’t be relied upon. Edit: I’m trying to find a reputable s…
AFP is most likely Agence France Press which is not Russia Today and is reputable.
Which information is coming from where?
Re: Kevin McCarthy ‘Agreed to Cut Aid to Ukraine’ to Secure US Speaker Role
#14The sources are “afp and rt” - that’s “Russia Today.” The website includes articles with titles: “Russia: Ukrainian Special Services Prepare Major Anti-Moscow False Flag in Kharkov” and “Ukraine Truce Ordered by Putin Takes Effect as West Vows to Send Heavy Weaponry.” This is a Russian propaganda site. They’re trying to demoralize Ukraine by claiming the US can’t be relied upon. Edit: I’m trying to find a reputable s…
It looks like copy of https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/01/07/kevin-mcca...
The details of the Telegraph article are different from the headline.
> According to reports, to end the impasse, Mr McCarthy agreed a deal that the House would commit to passing bills that would cap all discretionary defence spending at 2022 financial year levels, meaning roughly $1.47 trillion. Congress has passed four emergency supplementals totalling more than $100 billion since Russia’s invasion in February.
> President Joe Biden will require Congress to approve any additional military aid later this year. Should one of the rebel lawmakers - who have vowed to oppose any further aid packages - be given leadership roles in the House Rules Committee it could create immense hurdles to passing additional assistance legislation.
Capping defense spending, and creating a veto-ocracy are very different than “cutting aid to Ukraine.”
The Telegraph article headline includes a quote: “agreed to cut aid to Ukraine”, but nowhere in the article is that quote found.
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> Aren't Democrats Putin agents for not providing more aid to Ukraine though? Zelenskyy clearly has said they need more, so the logical conclusion is that Putin ordered those in power to reject those requests and only provide a reduced amount of aid. There is nothing logical about your statement. The US government, thanks to Biden's administration, is by far Ukraine's largest backer.
In proxy wars, nothing is as simple as we would like.
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> Aren't Democrats Putin agents for not providing more aid to Ukraine though? Zelenskyy clearly has said they need more, so the logical conclusion is that Putin ordered those in power to reject those requests and only provide a reduced amount of aid. There is nothing logical about your statement. The US government, thanks to Biden's administration, is by far Ukraine's largest backer.
One could argue that giving one side enough support to keep fighting, but not enough to win, causes long term damage to them. The US did something similar to Iraq against Iran in the 1980's and we also used the Mujahedeen(the basis of al-Qaeda) against the Soviets despite the long term harm it caused to the people of Afghanistan. In proxy wars, nothing is as simple as we would like.
I don't agree. Russia's invasion of Ukraine has been ongoing for around a decade, but only recently has support ramped up to adequate levels.
I recall that Germany's initial response to Russia's 2022 invasion was to pledge handing over helmets.
The goal of a conflict is to win, and what represents winning really depends on your situation. In Ukraine's position, winning might mean more than forcing out Russia from it's territory. For Ukraine, winning might mean breaking Russia's willingness to continue perpetrating a genocide that's ongoing for around a decade.
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One could argue that giving one side enough support to keep fighting, but not enough to win, causes long term damage to them. The US did something similar to Iraq against Iran in the 1980's and we also used the Mujahedeen(the basis of al-Qaeda) against the Soviets despite the long term harm it caused to the people of Afghanistan. In proxy wars, nothing is as simple as we would like.
> One could argue that giving one side enough support to keep fighting, but not enough to win, causes long term damage to them. I don't agree. Russia's invasion of Ukraine has been ongoing for around a decade, but only recently has support ramped up to adequate levels. I recall that Germany's initial response to Russia's 2022 invasion was to pledge handing over helmets. The goal of a conflict is to win, and what repr…