For me, Agile is about risk migitation by early knowledge building.
Agile isn’t about speed, it’s about direction
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#12Can we just be done with “agile”? As far as I can tell it’s like communism. Seems to make sense on paper. Every time teams try and follow it things fall apart, and the crowd points and says they just weren’t doing it right.
How about we just get the requirements and write the code, however that is best achieved in your org.
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#13or its lack thereof
Right. I mean half the pitch of the ol manifesto was "don't plan on finishing software because it's impossible to actually get requirements out of a customer ahead of time"
And it was sold as a good thing.
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#14Well it’s both imo - i.e., agile is about velocity.
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#15It's about both, it's just that ritualized Big-A Agile isn't about either. It's about the appearance of speed and selling certifications to companies and management that don't know better. I think "velocity" (from Scrum) actually evoked the correct idea, but most people seem to forget that velocity != speed. Velocity is a pair, speed and direction. Raw speed is useless if you're heading the wrong way (e.g., towards a…
But if you can adjust the direction fast enough, you can quickly recover from the wrong direction. That is, it's about speed of adjusting, not just speed. (In sports, it's the difference between speed and quickness.)
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#16or its lack thereof
Right. I mean half the pitch of the ol manifesto was "don't plan on finishing software because it's impossible to actually get requirements out of a customer ahead of time" And it was sold as a good thing.
Well, if that's the world you actually live in, then you'd better be able to live in that world. (I mean, sure, ideally one should fix it. But your development approach has to work in the world you're trying to apply it in.)
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#17I thought agile was an elaborate scheme divised by energy vampires to drain the enthusiasm of developers through the use of rituals.
That's scrum. Scrum uses agile but agile is not scrum.
Your comment strikes me as a bit odd, let me explain why.
Yes you're correct in saying that op was talking about scrum not agile, but "scrum uses agile" is a very confusing phrase. Scrum predates agile by 8 years, so how could it use something that wasn't invented when i was created. Also agile isn't something "to use" since it's not a framework. Scrum is something that you use, since it is an actual framework, and often people who implement agile use Scrum, because scrum was very much in the minds of the creators of the agile manifesto. And this should not surprise anyone as the creators of scrum where also part of the group that created the agile manifesto.
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#18You are holding it wrong.
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#19Give a break Agile is just an adjective. It's the antonym of clumsy/ungraceful.
Yes, an Apple is just a fruit. But a fruit didn't create the iPhone.
So perhaps when people talk about Apples upcoming phone, they probably mean the company not the fruit. And when people talk about Agile in relation to software development they likely mean to refer to Agile software development not just the word agile.
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#20This quote summarises everything that is wrong with Agile. >> rarely well implemented. The Agile Manifesto was published in 2001, over two decades ago. After all this time, and the involvement of a lot of clever people, even Agile advocates are stating it is rarely well implemented. Doesn't that suggest that Agile, as a management technique, has failed? True Agile is appears to be as elusive as the holy grail.
Isn’t agile just like 5 sentences that are pretty vague? If so what does it mean that it’s badly implemented? That sounds like the “they are not interpreting the bible correctly” type of argument.