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How to slow down scientific progress, according to Leo Szilard

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Re: How to slow down scientific progress, according to Leo Szilard

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Lots of conflicting views held by the scientific community: * Science is progressing too fast * Science is progressing too slow with not enough breakthroughs * The barrier to publish is too high and is wrought with politics * There's too many papers published and we need a higher bar as not everyone is a genius * My research is important and deserves funding * Others research is trivial and they don't deserve funding…

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Re: How to slow down scientific progress, according to Leo Szilard

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> Science would become something like a parlor game. Some things would be considered interesting, others not. There would be fashions. Those who followed the fashion would get grants. Those who wouldn’t would not, and pretty soon they would learn to follow the fashion, too. Have fashions taken over? What was science like before fashions took over?

not an insider, but apparently it's almost impossible to get funding in (theoretical?) physics outside outside of quantum mechanics.

Re: How to slow down scientific progress, according to Leo Szilard

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As one who actively participates in this parlor game, I disagree with the premise. Prior to writing proposals, I would have thought writing proposals was a huge waste of time and effort. However, we have a saying that no good idea goes to waste. When writing, you have to be clear and concise and your idea has to be good to get funding. If you don't get funded, you usually get good, useful feedback. You get better, your ideas get better, and the person reviewing them has learned what many scientist in the field are proposing as the best new directions for research. These are all valuable uses of time that might otherwise be spent learning how to make your ideas better, how to communicate them better, and how better understand what is going on in the field. In other words, things that you would be doing anyway.

I think the biggest problem facing science right now is the scale at which it is occurring. My field does not have this problem, but I can't imagine what it's like trying to stay on top of the literature in e.g. medical sciences. Paper writing and peer review work at much smaller scales - there are order hundreds scientist in my field and I think it's functioning just fine. For fields with thousands and 10s of thousands of active researchers, I think there needs to be a different way to vet and organize information. I don't know what that is exactly but it might look something like twitter (can't believe I'm writing this!). On second thought, maybe it looks more like HN!

The misalignment of incentives can be problematic as well, but arguably, not the biggest problem.

Re: How to slow down scientific progress, according to Leo Szilard

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For those that accept the author's premise and thought experiment. What's the recommended alternative? Let's take a humanist approach and say the biggest problems humanity need to solve right now that we aren't doing enough on are life extension and energy generation/storage/distribution. Even 5 years ago, "AI" might've been on the list, but that seems to be booming with progress, and between CRISPR/mRNA we also seem…

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Re: How to slow down scientific progress, according to Leo Szilard

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> Science would become something like a parlor game. Some things would be considered interesting, others not. There would be fashions. Those who followed the fashion would get grants. Those who wouldn’t would not, and pretty soon they would learn to follow the fashion, too. Have fashions taken over? What was science like before fashions took over?

not an insider, but apparently it's almost impossible to get funding in (theoretical?) physics outside outside of quantum mechanics.

I assume that what you're trying to say is that it's almost impossible to get funding in fundamental physics outside of string theory, which at least might be true. There are lots of people with funding in theoretical (or at least computational) physics who aren't doing quantum mechanics, like nearly all of astrophysics, much of acoustics and fluid dynamics, nonlinear dynamics, etc.

Re: How to slow down scientific progress, according to Leo Szilard

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As one who actively participates in this parlor game, I disagree with the premise. Prior to writing proposals, I would have thought writing proposals was a huge waste of time and effort. However, we have a saying that no good idea goes to waste. When writing, you have to be clear and concise and your idea has to be good to get funding. If you don't get funded, you usually get good, useful feedback. You get better, yo…

I second this. My field (applied math) isn't super-dependent on having a grant, and writing a proposal once every couple years isn't a chore, and it's a good exercise to put your plans on paper in a coherent way and try to trouble-shoot obvious problems. And I can always opt out if I don't feel like it -- I just have to pay my own way to conferences (no big deal), not have a summer salary (fortunately no big deal for me), and my grad students have to do more teaching and take longer to finish. The travel and student funding, honestly, are the main reasons I bother anymore.

OTOH, life scientists I have talked to or worked with (both in basic & medical research) seem to be writing proposals all the time, and that just seems really unpleasant in all sorts of ways, on top of problems that have been discussed here ad nauseum.

Re: How to slow down scientific progress, according to Leo Szilard

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> Science would become something like a parlor game. Some things would be considered interesting, others not. There would be fashions. Those who followed the fashion would get grants. Those who wouldn’t would not, and pretty soon they would learn to follow the fashion, too. Have fashions taken over? What was science like before fashions took over?

not an insider, but apparently it's almost impossible to get funding in (theoretical?) physics outside outside of quantum mechanics.

What part of modern theoretical physics is "outside" quantum mechanics? General relativity, sure, but arguably the most interesting problem there is how to make it compatible with quantum mechanics.

Re: How to slow down scientific progress, according to Leo Szilard

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As one who actively participates in this parlor game, I disagree with the premise. Prior to writing proposals, I would have thought writing proposals was a huge waste of time and effort. However, we have a saying that no good idea goes to waste. When writing, you have to be clear and concise and your idea has to be good to get funding. If you don't get funded, you usually get good, useful feedback. You get better, yo…

Sounds like the effect of filling up the YCombinator application form.
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