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Snow shortage threatens Alps with wet winter season

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Re: Snow shortage threatens Alps with wet winter season

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Post by floor2 »

macinjosh wrote: post #3
sdfgdfghj wrote: post #2

For the first time ever I had to cancel my holidays due to climate change. I was planning on skiing in the first week of January, not gonna happen. It was 14 degrees during the day on 31 Dec. 20 years ago it was unusual not to have snow for Christmas and New Year.

Weather is not climate.

Sure. But this is a pointless thing to complain about.

OP could have given a long, complex nuanced statement to appease pedants like "Due to climate change making warm weather and lack of snow in January far more likely than in the past, there was in fact warm weather and lack of snow during my planned trip, so I had to cancel my plans. The odds of this happening without decades of carbon emissions from fossil fuels would have been very unlikely".

Or, you can skip all that excessive cruft which is understood by almost everyone as being implicit and just say due to climate change.

Re: Snow shortage threatens Alps with wet winter season

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Post by boring_twenties »

sdfgdfghj wrote: post #2

For the first time ever I had to cancel my holidays due to climate change. I was planning on skiing in the first week of January, not gonna happen. It was 14 degrees during the day on 31 Dec. 20 years ago it was unusual not to have snow for Christmas and New Year.

Meanwhile, western US resorts are having their best November and December in over a decade. Alta has already received 300 inches this year!

Re: Snow shortage threatens Alps with wet winter season

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Post by syzarian »

macinjosh wrote: post #3
sdfgdfghj wrote: post #2

For the first time ever I had to cancel my holidays due to climate change. I was planning on skiing in the first week of January, not gonna happen. It was 14 degrees during the day on 31 Dec. 20 years ago it was unusual not to have snow for Christmas and New Year.

Weather is not climate.

What is the purpose of your comment? Do you have a belief that if the global mean temperature were, for instance, raised 3 degrees celsius that this change would not result in noticeable changes in weather? Weather does not affect or result in global warming but global warming does affect and result in weather change.

Re: Snow shortage threatens Alps with wet winter season

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Post by Workaccount2 »

macinjosh wrote: post #3
sdfgdfghj wrote: post #2

For the first time ever I had to cancel my holidays due to climate change. I was planning on skiing in the first week of January, not gonna happen. It was 14 degrees during the day on 31 Dec. 20 years ago it was unusual not to have snow for Christmas and New Year.

Weather is not climate.

Even my father, an ardent "global warming is bullshit" supporter, admits that something weird is going on with the weather now.

Re: Snow shortage threatens Alps with wet winter season

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Post by vasqw »

syzarian wrote: post #14
macinjosh wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weather is not climate.

What is the purpose of your comment? Do you have a belief that if the global mean temperature were, for instance, raised 3 degrees celsius that this change would not result in noticeable changes in weather? Weather does not affect or result in global warming but global warming does affect and result in weather change.

Many people maliciously conflate "climate change" with "man-made climate change".

Re: Snow shortage threatens Alps with wet winter season

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Post by rocknor »

thecopy wrote: post #4

A number of ski resorts have already closed down (temporarily one hopes) in Switzerland ( https://www.20min.ch/story/so-dramatisch-ist-die-lage-in-den... )

I hope they close down permanently. At least it creates more incentive for countries to invest in reducing greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.

Re: Snow shortage threatens Alps with wet winter season

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Post by Mikeb85 »

It's strange. Not alps here but seems to be all over Europe... I got to Czech Republic early December. There was snow on the ground everywhere we went. First time I've seen snow in Prague (last winter was mostly just cold and rainy). In my SO's town, like a foot of snow and was -10C. A few days before Christmas travelled to another small town south of Prague, even more snow. Then suddenly the weather shifted and it's been +15C for the last 2 weeks or so. All the snow gone and feels like spring. Strange weather.

Re: Snow shortage threatens Alps with wet winter season

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Post by steve1977 »

It's not threatening the Alps. It's threatening the tourism industry in the Alps - which itself is threatening the Alps.

So, IMHO, not really a bad thing in the long run.

Yes, many of these places currently rely on tourism as their primary source of income. So yes, they will have to change and find other sources or accept that people move away from these places.

I live in Switzerland. This year, we had mosquitos on January 1st. WTF?

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