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Casio-F-91W die-shot

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Re: Casio-F-91W die-shot

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Dumb question: is it legal to share a die shot like this one? What does copyright law say about this? I mean, yes, the author took the photo himself but what about the underlying material? Can I share a photo of an entire book? Do I own the copyright to a photo of a painting?

If the layout had copyright protection, this would still be fair use.

Re: Casio-F-91W die-shot

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I bought one of those recently and I was surprised by how inaccurate it was. It drifted like 15 seconds every month. From what I've been reading, that is normal, but I was surprised - with all the technological advances that we have it is odd to think that cheap timekeeping is not a solved problem yet!

Also: how is the software of these watches without a CPU designed? Is it something like Verilog or whatever?

Re: Casio-F-91W die-shot

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

why not? you are free to disassemble your computer and take photo of motherboard or whatever hardware you have, I don't see how is taking photo of die different you can have copyright to your own photo, but not to pictured design

Well a die design, just like code, is definitely some form of intellectual property and covered by copyright law. So I think a more fair comparison would be a photo of an entire book.

The die design tells what parts are there, not their values or characteristics; cloning a chip just by looking at the die would require a lot more research.

Re: Casio-F-91W die-shot

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I bought one of those recently and I was surprised by how inaccurate it was. It drifted like 15 seconds every month. From what I've been reading, that is normal, but I was surprised - with all the technological advances that we have it is odd to think that cheap timekeeping is not a solved problem yet! Also: how is the software of these watches without a CPU designed? Is it something like Verilog or whatever?

>yet

I mean, we have accurate electric timepieces now, and the F91-W came out in 1989; we had accurate electric timepieces then, too.

it's a cost versus value thing.

Re: Casio-F-91W die-shot

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I bought one of those recently and I was surprised by how inaccurate it was. It drifted like 15 seconds every month. From what I've been reading, that is normal, but I was surprised - with all the technological advances that we have it is odd to think that cheap timekeeping is not a solved problem yet! Also: how is the software of these watches without a CPU designed? Is it something like Verilog or whatever?

It's easy to make a digital circuit that counts clock cycles with perfect accuracy. But for any clock, the actual length of each cycle is dependent on analog processes, and it's impossible to completely eliminate errors.

15 seconds per month is about 6 parts per million, which is already better than the manufacturing tolerances of a typical cheap quartz crystal. There are very few objects of any kind that you can obtain cheaply with that kind of accuracy. That suggests that, as this article says, Casio is trimming the frequency for each watch to compensate for component variations.

Re: Casio-F-91W die-shot

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Dumb question: is it legal to share a die shot like this one? What does copyright law say about this? I mean, yes, the author took the photo himself but what about the underlying material? Can I share a photo of an entire book? Do I own the copyright to a photo of a painting?

"Can I share a photo of an entire book?" No is the short answer to that one.

Actually you can share a photo of an entire book - it's only that you can't share photos of all its individual pages as well...

(Sorry, tried hard to resist, and failed.)

Re: Casio-F-91W die-shot

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I bought one of those recently and I was surprised by how inaccurate it was. It drifted like 15 seconds every month. From what I've been reading, that is normal, but I was surprised - with all the technological advances that we have it is odd to think that cheap timekeeping is not a solved problem yet! Also: how is the software of these watches without a CPU designed? Is it something like Verilog or whatever?

15 seconds per month is about 6.7ppm. That's well within typical crystal oscillator accuracy. If you need more than that (without external time correction such as gps or radio/internet), you need expensive oscillators with temperature compensation or even ovenized units.

Re: Casio-F-91W die-shot

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Dumb question: is it legal to share a die shot like this one? What does copyright law say about this? I mean, yes, the author took the photo himself but what about the underlying material? Can I share a photo of an entire book? Do I own the copyright to a photo of a painting?

I don't think it is any different than taking a photo of your car engine or gearbox or any such component.

Issues comes when you start to make copies.

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