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Real ID was a real mistake and Congress should scrap it at last

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Re: Real ID was a real mistake and Congress should scrap it at last

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I like the attempt to scare the reader by pointing out the barcode is unencrypted and anybody with an simple scanner could get it. But if they're holding your ID I'm pretty sure they can already read all of that same info printed on the front of the card.

Re: Real ID was a real mistake and Congress should scrap it at last

#12

Real ID’s sole purpose is to punitively restrict travel for non citizens, particularly undocumented workers. If you value liberty you should oppose it. It’s the best example of a specific step in the slide to a restrictive police state. In no way does it improve security. I encourage everyone to speak out against it.

Huh, I had just assumed it was a voter suppression measure

Or a form of identification, like most other countries have.

Re: Real ID was a real mistake and Congress should scrap it at last

#13

Real ID’s sole purpose is to punitively restrict travel for non citizens, particularly undocumented workers. If you value liberty you should oppose it. It’s the best example of a specific step in the slide to a restrictive police state. In no way does it improve security. I encourage everyone to speak out against it.

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Re: Real ID was a real mistake and Congress should scrap it at last

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not really convinced doing something about illegal immigrants is a step towards a police state. Is this US only rhetoric? Do other countries regularly just allow people to immigrate illegaly and are not interested in doing anything about it? Like I can't imagine just boating to some random coast in Norway and expect to just live a new life there unimpeded by the law.

You realize that an illegal immigrant with a valid passport does not need a realid to fly right?

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Re: Real ID was a real mistake and Congress should scrap it at last

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> “The day would not be far off,” wrote cybersecurity and surveillance expert Jim Harper, a former congressional committee counsel and senior fellow at the Cato Institute, “when a national ID is required for picking up prescriptions, purchasing guns and ammunition, paying by credit card, booking air travel, and reserving hotel stays, to name just a few types of transactions the federal government might regulate.” Aga…

I have never been asked for an ID to pick up prescriptions. Name, date of birth, and once address. But never an ID.

I’ve traveled across the US without having to show an ID for anything.

I have usually needed to show an ID to stay at a hotel, but not an Airbnb(or did I have to upload it at some point? I can’t remember now), or some rental condos. (Diamond for example doesn’t always ask for one).

That said, I agree with your second point.

Re: Real ID was a real mistake and Congress should scrap it at last

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Real ID’s sole purpose is to punitively restrict travel for non citizens, particularly undocumented workers. If you value liberty you should oppose it. It’s the best example of a specific step in the slide to a restrictive police state. In no way does it improve security. I encourage everyone to speak out against it.

More information here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_identification_laws_in_t...

Re: Real ID was a real mistake and Congress should scrap it at last

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not really convinced doing something about illegal immigrants is a step towards a police state. Is this US only rhetoric? Do other countries regularly just allow people to immigrate illegaly and are not interested in doing anything about it? Like I can't imagine just boating to some random coast in Norway and expect to just live a new life there unimpeded by the law.

You realize that an illegal immigrant with a valid passport does not need a realid to fly right?

How many illegal immigrants have their passports and are willing to risk flying with them? I'm more talking about the mindset of illegally entering a country and then having the expectation that I can do anything there, anyway. Like in my Norway example, I can't imagine just walking to an airport and expecting everything to work out when I just boated into a random part of the country illegally. Is this a US idea that that should be expected to work? I don't have the perspective to know, so I'm asking.

Re: Real ID was a real mistake and Congress should scrap it at last

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post #15

> “The day would not be far off,” wrote cybersecurity and surveillance expert Jim Harper, a former congressional committee counsel and senior fellow at the Cato Institute, “when a national ID is required for picking up prescriptions, purchasing guns and ammunition, paying by credit card, booking air travel, and reserving hotel stays, to name just a few types of transactions the federal government might regulate.” Aga…

I have never been asked for an ID to pick up prescriptions. Name, date of birth, and once address. But never an ID. I’ve traveled across the US without having to show an ID for anything. I have usually needed to show an ID to stay at a hotel, but not an Airbnb(or did I have to upload it at some point? I can’t remember now), or some rental condos. (Diamond for example doesn’t always ask for one). That said, I agree wi…

Certain OTC and prescription drugs definitely require an ID. Think coffee syrups and potent pain meds.

Re: Real ID was a real mistake and Congress should scrap it at last

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post #18
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have never been asked for an ID to pick up prescriptions. Name, date of birth, and once address. But never an ID. I’ve traveled across the US without having to show an ID for anything. I have usually needed to show an ID to stay at a hotel, but not an Airbnb(or did I have to upload it at some point? I can’t remember now), or some rental condos. (Diamond for example doesn’t always ask for one). That said, I agree wi…

Certain OTC and prescription drugs definitely require an ID. Think coffee syrups and potent pain meds.

Pseudoephedrine, many ADHD medications and some muscle relaxants require ID.

Re: Real ID was a real mistake and Congress should scrap it at last

#20

Real ID’s sole purpose is to punitively restrict travel for non citizens, particularly undocumented workers. If you value liberty you should oppose it. It’s the best example of a specific step in the slide to a restrictive police state. In no way does it improve security. I encourage everyone to speak out against it.

Huh, I had just assumed it was a voter suppression measure

what is wrong with "suppressing" votes of non-citizens?
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