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Ups and downs of a side project

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Re: Ups and downs of a side project

#11
I don't have any business side projects or anything that earns money but my motivation fluctuates like the author of this article.

I am super grateful for Python, Java, JavaScript, C, Rust, Flask, Firefox, Google Chrome, the Java Virtual Machine, Google's V8 engine, GCC, Postgresql, Clang and other open source projects. They allow me to write software and get paid money in jobs. And they're completely free. So good.

People like choosing what they work on and what they spend their time on. But there's business necessity that means we often need to do tasks we secretly don't want to do. Or feel forced to work on technology we don't agree with.

I think it is unfortunate that amazing products go the financial path and then lose their energy and become monetisation over quality or passion such as Heroku But I said that we cannot force people to work on things we want them to.

I feel we need to determine the properties of a product that guarantee monetisation AND quality and passion of its developers.

Are Jetbrains the example of this?

Re: Ups and downs of a side project

#12
I really appreciate reading this, i lay in bed this morning feeling all the doubts the author is experiencing. I’ve spent about 3 months on a new product, i spent all day yesterday trying to figure out how to sell it effectively. I met with sales reps i worked with in the past, wrote really thoughtful messages to prospects…No one has bitten yet.

I’ve been here before, this is certainly not my first startup, but man it hurts still. I feel like I’m missing something, despite all my efforts, I’m just not there yet and i need to step back and try figure out the missing pieces before i burn too much time.

It’ll be ok, but until it is ok, it’s exhausting.

Re: Ups and downs of a side project

#13
The motivation behind my side projects has been mostly having an entertaining outlet for learning new things. One of these is https://yare.io that taught me plenty about building something end-to-end. From concept, design, front end, back end and failed marketing efforts. Despite 0 revenue, the experience itself is greatly rewarding.

Re: Ups and downs of a side project

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I really appreciate reading this, i lay in bed this morning feeling all the doubts the author is experiencing. I’ve spent about 3 months on a new product, i spent all day yesterday trying to figure out how to sell it effectively. I met with sales reps i worked with in the past, wrote really thoughtful messages to prospects…No one has bitten yet. I’ve been here before, this is certainly not my first startup, but man i…

what are you working on if you don't mind me asking?

Re: Ups and downs of a side project

#16
I've found perhaps the biggest obstacle to working on my side project is something like lacking vision. If I have an idea, it's never hard to implement. Usually it works, sometimes it doesn't but at least shit gets done. The larger the project has gotten, the more planning it needs, and that's I've historically struggled with. Sometimes I don't quite know what to do next, so I sort of fuss with the code and don't really make meaningful changes. Always gets me in a bit of a funk.

I don't think it's so much about motivation as having a structure to your work that allows you to get shit done. I think motivation follows hard work and seeing results, it rarely precedes it. Attention from the press or social media or stuff like that can also briefly be motivating, but it wanes very quickly and is not very reliable.

It's helped to make notes of my ideas as they come. I have literally a wall of post-its that say something like "LSH", or "middle platonism is processed weirdly", or "34 bit URL ids" or "refactor query variants ASAP". It's not prioritized like a backlog, but just a jumble of ideas I've had about what to do next while working on something. It's been pretty helpful to essentially have a work pool to pull tasks from.

My project naturally has 2 month "iterations" because that's how often I do a new crawl and load crawl data, which permits breaking changes in the underlying data structure. So I'll just pull improvements from my wall and try to distribute the work evenly so it progresses in a meaningful sense.

Re: Ups and downs of a side project

#18
It took me roughly 2 years to find "success" with my side-project / micro-saas: users using my product on a daily basis.

I've found that the hardest part is the "post-launch" / "first-user" phase, where one needs to have the fire / resilience to keep building / marketing without (what it feels) anyone caring.

Once the first users (and feedback) start coming in, it becomes much easier to keep shipping.

Re: Ups and downs of a side project

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I have several side projects. While I contribute to the ups and downs, the usual dagger that grinds things to a halt is hitting some bug in an open source library or language that I don't have the ability, expertise, what have you to fix. Inevitably, the library is maintained by one person who is minimally active, despite being used by tons of people, and so I just get stuck. Software is a very frustrating endeavor.…

You made the tower yourself, no? Not to sound snarky but by making sure that (1) you do not lock yourself into any dependency and (2) you keep the use of dependencies to a minimal you do prevent most of that pain? At least that is my opinion. As a temporary workaround (sometimes permanent) I opt for a fork, which when kept to the bare minimum is usually not more then a minor annoyance. That’s at least my experience…

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Re: Ups and downs of a side project

#20
I wish there was more content like this - "making hundreds (not thousands) of $ in MRR after y years".

Give a dose of realism and pinpoint the second benefit — the skillset that is truly unique and worth it.

You no longer care about an isolated Jira ticket. You see a thread from vision to execution. As a dev, you start to value other parts of the company and build better bridges/interfaces between teams.

As someone said, building something on your own feels like staring into the abyss and eating glass. Be aware, it's not for everyone and can cost you — not only $$$ but relationships and health.

And that is even if you are passionate about the thing.

It reminds me of Steve Jobs's thoughts on this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PznJqxon4zE&ab_channel=coach...

Having started a side project in 2018 myself (now in low $$$$ MRR), I can attest that passion is key — because it's what you would do in your free time anyway.

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