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Re: Blank page with an embedded tweet. How bad can it be?

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Post by dotancohen »

brookst wrote: post #7
ilyt wrote: post #6

> What hope does an average site have if a simple tweet requires MegaBytes of JS and seconds to interactivity? But dev deploying that abomination spent whole days less by just including random shit instead of understand the problems they solve! That's investor value!

Hey now, if you’re measuring my performance base on lines of code, I am damn well including everything I can think of, and cloning it right into my code rather than using it by reference.

Somebody smarter than me once quipped that measuring a software developer's performance based on lines of code is akin to measuring aerospace engineer's performance based on the mass he adds to the vehicle.

Re: Blank page with an embedded tweet. How bad can it be?

#12

Post by harlanji »

the_gipsy wrote: post #10
zugi wrote: post #8

Until a year or so ago you could read Twitter with Javascript disabled in your browser. So we know zero lines of Javascript are actually required to read tweets. I just stopped clicking in Twitter links once they intentionally disabled browsing without Javascript, and use Nitter.net if there's a tweet I really want to read.

It's common sense that for reading a bit of text and perhaps an image there is no need for JavaScript. Even video doesn't require it. It should all be HTML.

I've got an open source Twitter and Mastodon app that's as vanilla as possible. Python + HTMx.

Just added video support this morning. Total page load is 200kB. Double-click loads the video:

https://twitter.com/iSpoogeDaily/status/1607038383318081537

I'm releasing every week or two to Glitch unless I can get more funding. Latest version is on https://glitch.com/~hogumathi, there's supporter links and licensing info in the readme (public releases are AGPL).

Re: Blank page with an embedded tweet. How bad can it be?

#13

Post by prhrb »

One can also embed tweet with nitter by adding /embed in the end and with iframe tag. Eg: https://nitter.fly.dev/mhevery/status/1606438382561026049/em...

Pagespeed score: https://pagespeed.web.dev/report?url=https://nitter.fly.dev/...

reference: https://github.com/zedeus/nitter/pull/515

Re: Blank page with an embedded tweet. How bad can it be?

#15

Post by matvp »

the_gipsy wrote: post #10
zugi wrote: post #8

Until a year or so ago you could read Twitter with Javascript disabled in your browser. So we know zero lines of Javascript are actually required to read tweets. I just stopped clicking in Twitter links once they intentionally disabled browsing without Javascript, and use Nitter.net if there's a tweet I really want to read.

It's common sense that for reading a bit of text and perhaps an image there is no need for JavaScript. Even video doesn't require it. It should all be HTML.

Providing adaptive video (MPEG-DASH / HLS on any non Safari browser) still requires JS though.

Re: Blank page with an embedded tweet. How bad can it be?

#16

Post by sokoloff »

dotancohen wrote: post #11
brookst wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey now, if you’re measuring my performance base on lines of code, I am damn well including everything I can think of, and cloning it right into my code rather than using it by reference.

Somebody smarter than me once quipped that measuring a software developer's performance based on lines of code is akin to measuring aerospace engineer's performance based on the mass he adds to the vehicle.

Bill Gates - https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/536587-measuring-programmin...

Re: Blank page with an embedded tweet. How bad can it be?

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Post by Jasper_ »

ilyt wrote: post #6

> What hope does an average site have if a simple tweet requires MegaBytes of JS and seconds to interactivity? But dev deploying that abomination spent whole days less by just including random shit instead of understand the problems they solve! That's investor value!

Yeah, if it wasn't for the improved developer velocity of these fancy new JavaScript frameworks, we would have been left with a basic HTML version of the widget that doesn't require any JavaScript and has all the same features. Unthinkable!
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