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Re: Web IDE Beta

#11

Post by Hamuko »

rkagerer wrote: post #7

I bet this eventually evolves into something like "VB for the modern web" where you go to the website, just start coding, and all the heavy-lifting of app hosting is taken care of for you. Next up, a visual point-and-draw editor.

That sort of already exists in AWS, where Lambda allows you to just write business logic inside the browser without having to worry anything about hosting, and Step Functions allows you to do drag-and-drop various other AWS services into a state machine. Granted, I'm not sure how much utility you can derive from Step Functions if you also don't write Lambda functions.

Re: Web IDE Beta

#12

Post by quickthrower2 »

rkagerer wrote: post #7

I bet this eventually evolves into something like "VB for the modern web" where you go to the website, just start coding, and all the heavy-lifting of app hosting is taken care of for you. Next up, a visual point-and-draw editor.

Glitch.com is the close to this (not the visual part).

Divjoy and others have a nice drag/drop - there are variants on this theme.

Maybe someone can bring this all together.

Kind of like "nocode-at-first-but-really-there-is-code-if-you-need-to-edit-it"

Or as you say: VB.

Or better: Access for the modern web.

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by samwillis »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #12
rkagerer wrote: post #7

I bet this eventually evolves into something like "VB for the modern web" where you go to the website, just start coding, and all the heavy-lifting of app hosting is taken care of for you. Next up, a visual point-and-draw editor.

Glitch.com is the close to this (not the visual part). Divjoy and others have a nice drag/drop - there are variants on this theme. Maybe someone can bring this all together. Kind of like "nocode-at-first-but-really-there-is-code-if-you-need-to-edit-it" Or as you say: VB. Or better: Access for the modern web.

Glitch is awesome, however it seems somewhat neglected. I know it's geared towards Node development, but last I looked earlier this year it was still on Python 3.6.

Other than that it provides the best experience of being able to throw up demos and allow people to fork and modify them.

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by psnehanshu »

Hamuko wrote: post #11
rkagerer wrote: post #7

I bet this eventually evolves into something like "VB for the modern web" where you go to the website, just start coding, and all the heavy-lifting of app hosting is taken care of for you. Next up, a visual point-and-draw editor.

That sort of already exists in AWS, where Lambda allows you to just write business logic inside the browser without having to worry anything about hosting, and Step Functions allows you to do drag-and-drop various other AWS services into a state machine. Granted, I'm not sure how much utility you can derive from Step Functions if you also don't write Lambda functions.

But the interface is very cumbersome. Not very productive. To be productive as a developer, you need a lot of other things that VS code provides, but not the Lambda editor.

Re: Web IDE Beta

#16

Post by Kelteseth »

Dave3of5 wrote: post #13

Pretty much a carbon copy of what github has been doing for a long while now even down to the keyboard shortcut.

Good. This is why open source is awesome. The current editor does really feel clunky to work with.

Re: Web IDE Beta

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Post by dromtrund »

TAForObvReasons wrote: post #8
epolanski wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the biggest risk for those companies (see GitPod who had multiple blog posts about it) is that the good parts of VSC really are closed source or not MIT-licensed so you can't use things like share or extensions and many others. I think cloud vendors like gitlab and others should actually work on rewriting or maintaining a different fork or write an entirely different web editor altogether. VSC is not a piece…

VSCodium, aka VSCode without the Microsoft proprietary bits, uses https://open-vsx.org/ as the extension registry. The hard problem is convincing devs to cross-publish

I have published some extensions with about 300k users in total. So far, I've only had two people ask me to publish on open-vsx. I did make one attempt, but something broke in the signup procedure, and it took 3 weeks for someone from support to come back to me with a fix, so I had moved on.

If more people were asking for it, I would try again, but the time spent per user to set up a pipeline for each extension just doesn't make sense at the moment. I'd rather spend those nights adding features for the existing mainline users. Cynical perhaps, but there's no reward for making extensions, so there's a limited amount of time I can spend on it.

Re: Web IDE Beta

#18

Post by holografix »

rkagerer wrote: post #7

I bet this eventually evolves into something like "VB for the modern web" where you go to the website, just start coding, and all the heavy-lifting of app hosting is taken care of for you. Next up, a visual point-and-draw editor.

How realistic is it to move to the Jetbrains light weight editor crm VSCode?

Re: Web IDE Beta

#19

Post by lucideer »

Dave3of5 wrote: post #13

Pretty much a carbon copy of what github has been doing for a long while now even down to the keyboard shortcut.

A lot of people seem to be misunderstanding this as Gitlab introducing a Web IDE. They're actually just swapping out the implementation in their existing Web IDE (which existed long before Github's)

Re: Web IDE Beta

#20

Post by kavalerov »

This looks really great, and nice to see both Github and Gitlab moving in this direction - ability to have IDE in the browser is great for many use-cases.

However, I am a bit worried that it looks like most of these companies and up using VSCode. It really needs to have a good competitor in this space, and I hope JetBrains can match that eventually with partnerships of their own.

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