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EsPiFF: An ESP32 in the Raspberry Pi form factor

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Re: EsPiFF: An ESP32 in the Raspberry Pi form factor

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> While it was easy to get a (RPI) solution up and running in a short time, over time we got a lot of problems resulting from using the Pi. A key problem of the Pi's design is, to rely on an SD-card. > after some months the SD-card broke and the application crashed. High-end industrial SD-card lasted longer, but finally still broke. > So we made the decision, to build a replacement, which is focused on high-reliabili…

I try to never rely on the Pi's SD card. Either I use a system which uses RAM disk like Alpine Linux or a modified Raspbian. You can even PXE boot with later Raspberry Pi3b+ and 4

But yes, then you need network storage or USB SSDs or something

Re: EsPiFF: An ESP32 in the Raspberry Pi form factor

#13

"All I want for Christmas is SD-card reader on my ESP32." - Finds micropython library. Ok. - Finds schematics for physical connection. Ok "But where do I find that fiddly SD-card bracket?" - Opens a drawer, sees a mound of useless MicroSD-adaptors . Ok.

Esp32-cam has sdcard reader

Re: EsPiFF: An ESP32 in the Raspberry Pi form factor

#14
post #5

> While it was easy to get a (RPI) solution up and running in a short time, over time we got a lot of problems resulting from using the Pi. A key problem of the Pi's design is, to rely on an SD-card. > after some months the SD-card broke and the application crashed. High-end industrial SD-card lasted longer, but finally still broke. > So we made the decision, to build a replacement, which is focused on high-reliabili…

They decided to design this whole thing instead of just going with a read only SD partition or one of the CM4 docks with eMMC?

Don't get me wrong, the end result is really cool and if just an ESP can cover their entire use case then the Pi was definitely overkill, but it just seems like inventing a flying car because you once got a flat tire.

Re: EsPiFF: An ESP32 in the Raspberry Pi form factor

#15
post #5

> While it was easy to get a (RPI) solution up and running in a short time, over time we got a lot of problems resulting from using the Pi. A key problem of the Pi's design is, to rely on an SD-card. > after some months the SD-card broke and the application crashed. High-end industrial SD-card lasted longer, but finally still broke. > So we made the decision, to build a replacement, which is focused on high-reliabili…

They decided to design this whole thing instead of just going with a read only SD partition or one of the CM4 docks with eMMC? Don't get me wrong, the end result is really cool and if just an ESP can cover their entire use case then the Pi was definitely overkill, but it just seems like inventing a flying car because you once got a flat tire.

We also depend on RPys.

Right now the supply chain problems RPys are so big,that they are reselling RP 4s for over 300 euros!!

Imagine that over night the price of cars go 3x and you have to wait a long time for them.

Different people are finding different alternatives. We also created a very convoluted solution.

Re: EsPiFF: An ESP32 in the Raspberry Pi form factor

#16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They decided to design this whole thing instead of just going with a read only SD partition or one of the CM4 docks with eMMC? Don't get me wrong, the end result is really cool and if just an ESP can cover their entire use case then the Pi was definitely overkill, but it just seems like inventing a flying car because you once got a flat tire.

We also depend on RPys. Right now the supply chain problems RPys are so big,that they are reselling RP 4s for over 300 euros!! Imagine that over night the price of cars go 3x and you have to wait a long time for them. Different people are finding different alternatives. We also created a very convoluted solution.

I think that when the dust settles RPi will have lost a lot.

Lots of alternatives available and superior for most specific use cases, which people are discovering and/or transitioning to because of RPi's availability issues. Once this happens it'll be difficult to win those people back.

Re: EsPiFF: An ESP32 in the Raspberry Pi form factor

#17
post #5

> While it was easy to get a (RPI) solution up and running in a short time, over time we got a lot of problems resulting from using the Pi. A key problem of the Pi's design is, to rely on an SD-card. > after some months the SD-card broke and the application crashed. High-end industrial SD-card lasted longer, but finally still broke. > So we made the decision, to build a replacement, which is focused on high-reliabili…

Yeah I also though the same : this justification is the wrong one (just configure your system or use a distro doesn't log on disk... e.g. OpenWRT doesn't log on NOR/NAND flash !). Regardless of logs, I totally understand that SD-cards are often unreliable (noting that RPi CM4 and also some alternatives such as some Orange Pi include an eMMC which is a bit more resilient). More generally, other justifications (more convincing than this logfile-on-SD issues) could be 1°/ the power consumption of the Pi, 2°/ the complexity of a Linux system (hence vulnerability / attack surface), 3°/ the supply chain shortages on Pis (and costs)...

Anyway, kudos to this board designers ! :)

Re: EsPiFF: An ESP32 in the Raspberry Pi form factor

#18
post #5

> While it was easy to get a (RPI) solution up and running in a short time, over time we got a lot of problems resulting from using the Pi. A key problem of the Pi's design is, to rely on an SD-card. > after some months the SD-card broke and the application crashed. High-end industrial SD-card lasted longer, but finally still broke. > So we made the decision, to build a replacement, which is focused on high-reliabili…

The campaign is at: https://www.crowdsupply.com/mdc-service-wittenburg-gmbh/espi...

Personally I'm interested in running ADC daughter boards on it. Current solution is to hook an eMMC Pi-clone to a separate co-processor board, but having both on a single board is easier. An alternative would be to run a RTOS on the Pi-clone, but I don't know any that support clones with eMMC (I have Tinker Boards and RockPis)

Re: EsPiFF: An ESP32 in the Raspberry Pi form factor

#19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We also depend on RPys. Right now the supply chain problems RPys are so big,that they are reselling RP 4s for over 300 euros!! Imagine that over night the price of cars go 3x and you have to wait a long time for them. Different people are finding different alternatives. We also created a very convoluted solution.

I think that when the dust settles RPi will have lost a lot. Lots of alternatives available and superior for most specific use cases, which people are discovering and/or transitioning to because of RPi's availability issues. Once this happens it'll be difficult to win those people back.

Depends on how well those alternatives bank on the situation. I've always been disappointed by the lack of support and functionality on any non-Pi board I bought.

Re: EsPiFF: An ESP32 in the Raspberry Pi form factor

#20
post #5

> While it was easy to get a (RPI) solution up and running in a short time, over time we got a lot of problems resulting from using the Pi. A key problem of the Pi's design is, to rely on an SD-card. > after some months the SD-card broke and the application crashed. High-end industrial SD-card lasted longer, but finally still broke. > So we made the decision, to build a replacement, which is focused on high-reliabili…

They decided to design this whole thing instead of just going with a read only SD partition or one of the CM4 docks with eMMC? Don't get me wrong, the end result is really cool and if just an ESP can cover their entire use case then the Pi was definitely overkill, but it just seems like inventing a flying car because you once got a flat tire.

...or a case with a place for an ssd an a usb3.0->sata or whatever interface...

RPi4 supports usb boot for some time now.

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