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Re: Tell HN: Doing a chargeback against Google will get your account banned

#11

I work in payments. This is pretty normal AFAIK. Doing a chargeback is a good way to be "fired" as a customer and not allowed to use that companies services anymore.

Yes, this is true. I never knew doing a chargeback against the Google Store would get your email account banned.

Google can do what it wants, I just wanted to let people know so they think twice before doing a chargeback against Google.

Re: Tell HN: Doing a chargeback against Google will get your account banned

#12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This feels like a huge gap in consumer protections. Retaliatory account bans seem like they should not be legal when a retailer fails to deliver. Of course this is all exacerbated by how large the entities in question are and how the same account may govern access to multiple services.

Especially ejecting someone from e.g. their email if the payment isn't email related.

It's ripe for anti-trust action.

Re: Tell HN: Doing a chargeback against Google will get your account banned

#13
A more-measured approach would be to just disable your ability to purchase/engage with purchased services/products.

Of course, Google is actively motivated to make forcing them to face consequences for mishandling product disputes punishable by complete ostracization from their "ecosystem".

On the one hand, this feels like a Surprised Pikachu moment: Of course a chargeback, the final legal method through which you have issues redressed, is a valid reason to deny you further access to a private company's platform.

On the other hand, I've been decoupling my life from Google's services for a reason, and I'm not the only one. Google has ceased providing products for my needs superior enough to the competition to merit putting up with the ever-looming threat of their hegemonic bullshit.

Re: Tell HN: Doing a chargeback against Google will get your account banned

#17
Many people (including me) raised this issue internally at Google more than a decade ago now during the Google+ era. Vic Gundotra decided that not using your "real name" was a bannable offense despite the many legitimate concerns people brought up [1].

This was of course an automatic process and there were (completely predictably) false positives. This would kill your entire Google account, Gmail included.

I was one of many voices who argued that was completely stupid. The worst thing that should happen is a policy violation on a given service should terminate or suspend that service only. It should NEVER kill Gmail. Why? Because the end result is people will ultimately only use their Google account for Gmail.

That's what I have done since and what I recommend everyone else do. Never tie your Google account to any other Google product. You may well regret it.

It's wild to me that this is still the case. The issue isn't large enough for any executive to care. That means the decision will come down to a few stubborn individuals (probably a VP of PM) who are maintaining this position.

There's nothing you can buy from the Google Store that you can't get from Best Buy or Amazon and those will be infinitely more accountable.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMqZ2PPOLik

Re: Tell HN: Doing a chargeback against Google will get your account banned

#18

I work in payments. This is pretty normal AFAIK. Doing a chargeback is a good way to be "fired" as a customer and not allowed to use that companies services anymore.

Isn't this a great way to motivate users to respond by setting up throw-away accounts, with disposable forwarding emails and Privacy.com-generated credit card numbers? True, this is a multi-step process, but it also seems like something which could be automated.

Re: Tell HN: Doing a chargeback against Google will get your account banned

#19

I work in payments. This is pretty normal AFAIK. Doing a chargeback is a good way to be "fired" as a customer and not allowed to use that companies services anymore.

It's normal if you're a store someone can go elsewhere to do business.

It should be illegal if you're a global monopoly where it's nearly impossible to function in modern society without an account to.

The problem I see time and time again, is that Google acts like it is completely unaware it's a monopoly.

Re: Tell HN: Doing a chargeback against Google will get your account banned

#20
Over the years I’ve read so many horror stories of people being locked out of their Google accounts for a wide variety of reasons. Trying to get Google’s help is like pleading for help by sending messages to /dev/null.

I’ve migrated everything I possibly can off their services as a result. Google Maps and YouTube I find hard or impossible to really replace but I don’t have any critical data there.

I remember how exciting it was when Google IPOed (2005?). I was rooting for them. Every passing year my opinion of them diminishes further.

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