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Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Post by maria2 »

quequeque wrote: post #8

Twitch has become a much lower risk more rewarding place for many creators who want to make "low effort" content in respect to edited/curated videos. Earlier this week a content creator with ~4,000-5,000 average concurrent viewers (~300th biggest by follow count) leaked his "bounty board" of advertisements he could show to his viewers, this included a $1195 "bounty" to watch a 1 minute trailer and a $7365 "bounty" to…

The advertiser isn’t paying $1195 for 10,000 impressions. They’re paying for an endorsement. That’s much different than the YouTube pre-roll ad model.

Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Post by jasonwatkinspdx »

quequeque wrote: post #8

Twitch has become a much lower risk more rewarding place for many creators who want to make "low effort" content in respect to edited/curated videos. Earlier this week a content creator with ~4,000-5,000 average concurrent viewers (~300th biggest by follow count) leaked his "bounty board" of advertisements he could show to his viewers, this included a $1195 "bounty" to watch a 1 minute trailer and a $7365 "bounty" to…

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Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Post by boomboomsubban »

alexjplant wrote: post #3

I can't even log _in_ to begin with. I have an account but every password that I try doesn't work. Username retrieval emails work but password reset messages never arrive in my inbox. Support representatives ignore this issue when I tell them about it and instead say that they "can't verify [my] ownership of the account" and refuse to help even though I email them back from the address that's on my account. They also…

Are you sure you have that username? Like can you still find your initial registration email? As it sounds like they're not telling you that you're entering the wrong email for the account, which I believe is a good security practice.

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Post by rdtwo »

solarmist wrote: post #2

Isn’t this the next level of burnout that YouTube creators have been complaining about and feeling for years? And before that movie stars.

Yeah but it’s everywhere, you have to keep earning or you become irrelevant. Otherwise I’d be working 10-20 hrs a week

Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Post by alexjplant »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #13
alexjplant wrote: post #3

I can't even log _in_ to begin with. I have an account but every password that I try doesn't work. Username retrieval emails work but password reset messages never arrive in my inbox. Support representatives ignore this issue when I tell them about it and instead say that they "can't verify [my] ownership of the account" and refuse to help even though I email them back from the address that's on my account. They also…

Are you sure you have that username? Like can you still find your initial registration email? As it sounds like they're not telling you that you're entering the wrong email for the account, which I believe is a good security practice.

If I use the "forgot [my] username" function and enter my email address then I get a message in my inbox that says that I own the account in question. It's absolutely maddening.

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Post by boomboomsubban »

alexjplant wrote: post #15
boomboomsubban wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure you have that username? Like can you still find your initial registration email? As it sounds like they're not telling you that you're entering the wrong email for the account, which I believe is a good security practice.

If I use the "forgot [my] username" function and enter my email address then I get a message in my inbox that says that I own the account in question. It's absolutely maddening.

Can you find the initial email? As that still sounds like it could be a security practice. Or what happens if you try to make a new account with the email?

Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Post by floren »

quequeque wrote: post #8

Twitch has become a much lower risk more rewarding place for many creators who want to make "low effort" content in respect to edited/curated videos. Earlier this week a content creator with ~4,000-5,000 average concurrent viewers (~300th biggest by follow count) leaked his "bounty board" of advertisements he could show to his viewers, this included a $1195 "bounty" to watch a 1 minute trailer and a $7365 "bounty" to…

How big was the bounty for "leaking" the bounty board?

Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Post by quequeque »

jasonwatkinspdx wrote: post #12
quequeque wrote: post #8

Twitch has become a much lower risk more rewarding place for many creators who want to make "low effort" content in respect to edited/curated videos. Earlier this week a content creator with ~4,000-5,000 average concurrent viewers (~300th biggest by follow count) leaked his "bounty board" of advertisements he could show to his viewers, this included a $1195 "bounty" to watch a 1 minute trailer and a $7365 "bounty" to…

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>you don't get that nominal value unless you hit concurrent viewer count, and everything is calibrated such that it's basically impossible to get the advertised bag of money

This may be a bit of an overstatement on your part, especially the "They can make one tenth that if they're lucky" part. Bounties cap out at 10,000 viewers and are prorated as a % of average viewers, for a streamer with 4,000 average views hitting 10,000 is perfectly reasonable. As for "shilling for some crappy mobile game", the majority of games with bounties are fairly large ones, Fortnite and Genshin Impact were the two provided from the leaked bounty board and are by no means "crappy mobile games". The majority of games on bounty boards are from large game studios (2019 leak - League of Legends, Core, Sekiro:Shadows Die Twice; 2020 leak - Rocket Arena, Core)

I wouldn't say I'm offering any "grand theories", I'm only providing information on a live-streaming platform with 76% market share in America(this is what I mean by dominant)

Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Post by geerlingguy »

I treat my media creation as a business. Hours in and ROI are important, especially since I have a family and also try to keep their lives out of my online presence.

I looked at adding occasional Twitch livestreams to my output but quickly realized to make it return any kind of sustainable income, you have to practically "become a streamer".

There's no slow on-ramp like with YouTube, where you could start earning income after a few weeks/months of producing content and promoting it, growing an audience.

And then if you want to pause YouTube for a month or two, you don't lose the metrics that allow you to have an income.

It seems like Twitch is a grind, a lot more so than YouTube (where there's enough pressure, thank you very much!), and unless you're fully devoted to it, or are single and/or young with a lot of time to burn (and very mature about how you burn it), it's going to be very hard to maintain any kind of work life balance.

Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Post by enlyth »

dmonitor wrote: post #10

Seems like a lot of streamers think that streaming = not working. By the time they realize streaming is a job, they're burnt out. I respect the hell out of Ludwig for this. He treats streaming like a business, and his success speaks for itself. He doesn't foster parasocial relationships, and he avoids as much of the petty streamer drama that he possibly can. He's now transitioned towards large productions that draw i…

I respect Forsen for similar reasons, always stays out of drama, predictable schedule, and the community ("bajs") are one of the funniest on the internet.
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