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‘Significant overload’ caused Norway’s timber bridge collapse

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Re: ‘Significant overload’ caused Norway’s timber bridge collapse

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So many assumptions you're almost as bad as I am!

Re: ‘Significant overload’ caused Norway’s timber bridge collapse

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The homepage of the "Norwegian Safety Investigation Authority" is much more informative and the 2 documents have interesting photos, e.g. closeups of where the wood broke. https://www.nsia.no/Road/Investigations/22-441 It does not state why they conclude the cause was overload, only that "Uncovering the technical causal factors for the collapse of the Tretten bridge has been challenging. The expert group has worked i…

> Personally I would think that a bridge should be able to handle "A passenger car and a truck with trailer loaded with lime were on the bridge when it collapsed".

The Norwegian Safety Investigation Authority seems to agree. https://www.nsia.no/Road/Investigations/22-441?iid=35881&pid...:

“Checked according to the recommended calculation methods in today's current regulations for the design of wooden structures, the degree of utilization in the connections on the relevant diagonals was around 200%. That is to say, the capacity of these connections was half of what they should have been when calculating the bridge's failure limit state, where safety factors for both loads and strength of materials were taken into account”

Re: ‘Significant overload’ caused Norway’s timber bridge collapse

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The homepage of the "Norwegian Safety Investigation Authority" is much more informative and the 2 documents have interesting photos, e.g. closeups of where the wood broke. https://www.nsia.no/Road/Investigations/22-441 It does not state why they conclude the cause was overload, only that "Uncovering the technical causal factors for the collapse of the Tretten bridge has been challenging. The expert group has worked i…

There are a number of bridges where I live that cannot handle a truck with trailer. They have large signs warning what the maximum load is. They are mostly on rarely used roads in farm country (as in a handful of cars per week cross), so a truck with lime is one of the more likely potential loads, but of course the local farmers know that bridge can't handle the weight of a truck and plan their deliveries to take a d…

Here that doesn't seem to be the case. If you look at the western approach to the bridge in StreetView (which is from 2019, the eastern part has imagery after the collapse), there is no weight limitation sign to be seen. As such, you would expect the bridge to be able to carry the load in the worst case scenario of both lanes being filled to capacity with heavy vehicles, so failing because of one single truck and one or two cars is really bad...

Re: ‘Significant overload’ caused Norway’s timber bridge collapse

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There are a number of bridges where I live that cannot handle a truck with trailer. They have large signs warning what the maximum load is. They are mostly on rarely used roads in farm country (as in a handful of cars per week cross), so a truck with lime is one of the more likely potential loads, but of course the local farmers know that bridge can't handle the weight of a truck and plan their deliveries to take a d…

The problem comes when those type of bridges don't collapse the first time someone overloads them; then people start using it because "eh it works" and eventually it fails.

Is there some well established way to make some very visible but not structural part of a bridge to collapse after an overload, to scare people and make them report the problem?

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The homepage of the "Norwegian Safety Investigation Authority" is much more informative and the 2 documents have interesting photos, e.g. closeups of where the wood broke. https://www.nsia.no/Road/Investigations/22-441 It does not state why they conclude the cause was overload, only that "Uncovering the technical causal factors for the collapse of the Tretten bridge has been challenging. The expert group has worked i…

The headline is misleading. They are saying that it seems to have failed due to some kind of mysterious fatigue failure at a wood to steel structural interface. The investigators are struggling to work out how because the timber was damaged when it hit bottom of the river and then damaged further when it was hauled out for inspection. The overloading in the headline seems to refer to the ‘load shedding’ to other structural members that will have occurred after the joint (or joints) failed. (I’m not a structural engineer, but my profession is closely related.)

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The problem comes when those type of bridges don't collapse the first time someone overloads them; then people start using it because "eh it works" and eventually it fails.

Is there some well established way to make some very visible but not structural part of a bridge to collapse after an overload, to scare people and make them report the problem?

You probably could, but the amount of engineering and cost required would be simpler to just replace the bridge with a stronger one.

Often these "car only" country bridges are just some large wooden beams over a creek; even a simple concrete culvert replacement would be truck-proof.

Some of them do things like this: https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-small-car-suv-crossing-the...

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The problem comes when those type of bridges don't collapse the first time someone overloads them; then people start using it because "eh it works" and eventually it fails.

Is there some well established way to make some very visible but not structural part of a bridge to collapse after an overload, to scare people and make them report the problem?

A really simple catch all, that isn't quite accurate for all cases would be to put a sign over the top of such a bridge,that limits the height of vehicles crossing, excluding trucks with the tall trailers. Would not work for loads that aren't tall though.
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