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Re: Facebook owner Meta to remove news from platform if Congress passes media bill

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Post by hn_version_0023 »

specialist wrote: post #10
animitronix wrote: post #8

I fail to see any problem here. A newsless Facebook 100% sounds like a win.

Yup. Their news feed is just an algorithmic hate machine. Facebook was almost ideal (conceptually) beforehand. My future perfect social media is persistent chat for friends and family. I just want to see babies, puppies, weddings, funerals, holidays, and all the other important life events of my nearest and dearest.

My family accomplishes that with a group chats in Messages on our iPhones, and shared albums from Photos, again, iPhones.

I don't think any of us use anything else at this point.

Re: Facebook owner Meta to remove news from platform if Congress passes media bill

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Post by seanhunter »

kmlx wrote: post #3

i still can’t believe facebook and alphabet folded when it came to news in australia. they should have stayed the course. and predictably they opened up a can of worms: https://www.euronews.com/2022/03/03/neighbouring-rights-goog... the best way forward is to go back and ban news orgs from google, facebook, etc in countries where governments are captured by these media conglomerates. if the laws forbid this course of…

Who would be banning the news orgs in countries where the government is captured by them? That captive government?

Why is the public interest best served by the government siding with google/facebook etc over the news orgs themselves?

Re: Facebook owner Meta to remove news from platform if Congress passes media bill

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Post by djbebs »

chownie wrote: post #6
kmlx wrote: post #3

i still can’t believe facebook and alphabet folded when it came to news in australia. they should have stayed the course. and predictably they opened up a can of worms: https://www.euronews.com/2022/03/03/neighbouring-rights-goog... the best way forward is to go back and ban news orgs from google, facebook, etc in countries where governments are captured by these media conglomerates. if the laws forbid this course of…

Google displaying story snippets on the search pages obviate the need to actually visit the site itself (and load ads, content, etc) and by doing so materially harm news sites. If Google want to use the content rather than just link to it then I think compensation is fair.

The content is uncopyrightable...

Re: Facebook owner Meta to remove news from platform if Congress passes media bill

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Post by mccorrinall »

chownie wrote: post #6
kmlx wrote: post #3

i still can’t believe facebook and alphabet folded when it came to news in australia. they should have stayed the course. and predictably they opened up a can of worms: https://www.euronews.com/2022/03/03/neighbouring-rights-goog... the best way forward is to go back and ban news orgs from google, facebook, etc in countries where governments are captured by these media conglomerates. if the laws forbid this course of…

Google displaying story snippets on the search pages obviate the need to actually visit the site itself (and load ads, content, etc) and by doing so materially harm news sites. If Google want to use the content rather than just link to it then I think compensation is fair.

If they don’t want to be spidered maybe just use robots.txt

They can’t have both: exposure AND content only available on their platform

Re: Facebook owner Meta to remove news from platform if Congress passes media bill

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Post by shapefrog »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #2

> A similar Australian law, which took effect in March 2021 after talks with the big tech firms led to a brief shutdown of Facebook news feeds in the country, has largely worked, a government report said.

> led to a brief shutdown of Facebook news feeds

> the country, has largely worked, a government report said

nothing of value was lost

Re: Facebook owner Meta to remove news from platform if Congress passes media bill

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Post by kmlx »

braingenious wrote: post #4
kmlx wrote: post #3

i still can’t believe facebook and alphabet folded when it came to news in australia. they should have stayed the course. and predictably they opened up a can of worms: https://www.euronews.com/2022/03/03/neighbouring-rights-goog... the best way forward is to go back and ban news orgs from google, facebook, etc in countries where governments are captured by these media conglomerates. if the laws forbid this course of…

I don’t follow what you’re saying. Can you elaborate on the “shoulds” here? What principles are so important that giant corporations should leave money on the table to rightfully uphold them?

links and the nature of the internet.

if i post a link to a news site on this forum, should the forum pay the news site for the traffic the news site gets? of course not.

Re: Facebook owner Meta to remove news from platform if Congress passes media bill

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Post by kmlx »

seanhunter wrote: post #13
kmlx wrote: post #3

i still can’t believe facebook and alphabet folded when it came to news in australia. they should have stayed the course. and predictably they opened up a can of worms: https://www.euronews.com/2022/03/03/neighbouring-rights-goog... the best way forward is to go back and ban news orgs from google, facebook, etc in countries where governments are captured by these media conglomerates. if the laws forbid this course of…

Who would be banning the news orgs in countries where the government is captured by them? That captive government? Why is the public interest best served by the government siding with google/facebook etc over the news orgs themselves?

> Who would be banning the news orgs in countries where the government is captured by them? That captive government?

google and fb should be banning their news sites in countries where governments are captured.

> Why is the public interest best served by the government siding with google/facebook etc over the news orgs themselves?

the governments would not be siding with google/facebook but with the public. there is no public interest best served by breaking the nature of linking on the internet.

Re: Facebook owner Meta to remove news from platform if Congress passes media bill

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Post by kmlx »

chownie wrote: post #6
kmlx wrote: post #3

i still can’t believe facebook and alphabet folded when it came to news in australia. they should have stayed the course. and predictably they opened up a can of worms: https://www.euronews.com/2022/03/03/neighbouring-rights-goog... the best way forward is to go back and ban news orgs from google, facebook, etc in countries where governments are captured by these media conglomerates. if the laws forbid this course of…

Google displaying story snippets on the search pages obviate the need to actually visit the site itself (and load ads, content, etc) and by doing so materially harm news sites. If Google want to use the content rather than just link to it then I think compensation is fair.

> Google displaying story snippets on the search pages obviate the need to actually visit the site itself (and load ads, content, etc) and by doing so materially harm news sites.

no, the real issue here is that news sites had their business model broken for the past 20 years. they don’t know how to fix it. they are now click baiting machines. which is deepening their broken business models as trust in them is gone. this new scheme is them gasping for revenue.

Re: Facebook owner Meta to remove news from platform if Congress passes media bill

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Post by hatenberg »

They are bluffing. Despite fake metrics to the contrary, news drives vast amount of secondary engagement on their platform and removing the news tab would not remove the regulatory effect (news still happen in feed)

Worse for them it would harm republicans who rely on the radicalization engine and will respond to it in a hostile way. they are bluffing.

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