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Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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Re: Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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I'm surprised it's so low. I know that they already have very established processes in China, and their contractors have probably invested a lot in tooling for those factories, but it seems interesting that they would still prefer to move less that 50% of their capacity there. Maybe they see India as carrying its own risks?

India has a lot of bureaucracy and protectionism. I also don't think they have any equivalent to China's special economic zones (free market economies where the usual rules don't apply) such as Shenzhen (Chinese Silicon Valley)

India has special economic zones https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_special_economic_zones...

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I'm surprised it's so low. I know that they already have very established processes in China, and their contractors have probably invested a lot in tooling for those factories, but it seems interesting that they would still prefer to move less that 50% of their capacity there. Maybe they see India as carrying its own risks?

India has a lot of bureaucracy and protectionism. I also don't think they have any equivalent to China's special economic zones (free market economies where the usual rules don't apply) such as Shenzhen (Chinese Silicon Valley)

India has had SEZs for decades at this point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_special_economic_zones...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

India has a lot of bureaucracy and protectionism. I also don't think they have any equivalent to China's special economic zones (free market economies where the usual rules don't apply) such as Shenzhen (Chinese Silicon Valley)

India has special economic zones https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_special_economic_zones...

Huh I thought I looked this up earlier, but I guess I was mistaken. Are these zones similar to China's? I see lots of tiny zones on that list that are focused on manufacturing just one product rather than huge cities that make everything.

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I'm surprised it's so low. I know that they already have very established processes in China, and their contractors have probably invested a lot in tooling for those factories, but it seems interesting that they would still prefer to move less that 50% of their capacity there. Maybe they see India as carrying its own risks?

> India and Vietnam have their own challenges. > Vietnam’s manufacturing was growing quickly but was short of workers. The country has just under 100 million people, less than a 10th of China’s population. > India has a population nearly the size of China’s but not the same level of governmental coordination. Apple has found it hard to navigate India because each state is run differently and regional governments sadd…

As of next year, India will be the most populous country in the world.

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Three hundred thousand workers work at a factory in China to make iPhones? I didn't realise how massive the production line is, considering they have a 23% market share, and the rest is all Android lead by Samsung. I am always surprised that Apple (or other Western tech giants) never considered building backup factories. Did they never think about geopolitics or natural disasters and panamics? Apart from that iPhone…

Most of these supply chains basically didn’t have backup parts and you think they would consider building whole backup factories?

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> Apple’s longer-term goal is to ship 40% to 45% of iPhones from India, compared with a single-digit percentage currently, according to Ming-chi Kuo, an analyst at TF International Securities who follows the supply chain. Suppliers say Vietnam is expected to shoulder more of the manufacturing for other Apple products such as AirPods, smartwatches and laptops.

I'm surprised it's so low. I know that they already have very established processes in China, and their contractors have probably invested a lot in tooling for those factories, but it seems interesting that they would still prefer to move less that 50% of their capacity there. Maybe they see India as carrying its own risks?

> they would still prefer to move less that 50% of their capacity there

It is not Apple saying this. So, this is some Analyst doing a linear regression. So we can't read too much into this. It could be possible that India starts manufacturing 80% of iPhones. Or It could be less than the claimed 45% too.

Also, if there's no reason for Foxconn to dismantle existing manufacturing facilities all at once.

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India has special economic zones https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_special_economic_zones...

Huh I thought I looked this up earlier, but I guess I was mistaken. Are these zones similar to China's? I see lots of tiny zones on that list that are focused on manufacturing just one product rather than huge cities that make everything.

India is quite liberal even outside of SEZ compared to China.

These SEZs have considerably less bureaucracy. They have power/water connections handled already and a single-window system for approvals.

China also has plenty of SEZs

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Three hundred thousand workers work at a factory in China to make iPhones? I didn't realise how massive the production line is, considering they have a 23% market share, and the rest is all Android lead by Samsung. I am always surprised that Apple (or other Western tech giants) never considered building backup factories. Did they never think about geopolitics or natural disasters and panamics? Apart from that iPhone…

> Did they never think about geopolitics or natural disasters and panamics?

Not being ironic, apparently those "global MBA" types never heard of that. Their world view is probably also on continent-level and a couple of countries where labour is cheaper

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Three hundred thousand workers work at a factory in China to make iPhones? I didn't realise how massive the production line is, considering they have a 23% market share, and the rest is all Android lead by Samsung. I am always surprised that Apple (or other Western tech giants) never considered building backup factories. Did they never think about geopolitics or natural disasters and panamics? Apart from that iPhone…

Giant iPhone factories are already coming up in India around Chennai and Bangalore.

> who knows what other tax/land benefits the government of India/State government will provide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Production_Linked_Incentive_sc...

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