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The clever reason scammers can’t spell (2019)

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Re: The clever reason scammers can’t spell (2019)

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I'm sure most of the scammers are actually stupid and the fact that their stupidity works for them in this case is just luck.

Best to assume they are sophisticated though. Some are gangs/organisations. They can get pretty professional.

Just because they're organized doesn't mean they aren't incompetent in other aspects of what they do. There are plenty of dumb organized criminals sitting in prisons.

Re: The clever reason scammers can’t spell (2019)

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post #6

The article misses one of the most common misspelling reason: getting thru Bayesian filters. It has more to do with tech and less with psychology.

This is true but also... In my experience[1] a large majority of facebook-level romance scammers use the same copypasta messages when possible, because they actually are from (e.g.)Nigeria and really do have poor English.

This is especially relevant to your point because facebook could EASILY be flagging people based on known pasta messages, for review or shadowbanning etc. They presumably don't do this because "not my problem".

1.Actually the experience of someone I know who's turned screwing with scammers into a personal hobby, who frequently shares notes on this with me.

Re: The clever reason scammers can’t spell (2019)

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post #4

this idea has been kicking around for a long time, and sounds nice, but is there any data to support it? A lot of the most visible misspelling seems designed to avoid spam filter detection.

I used to buy into the idea, but it increasingly grates my intuition as time goes on. I'm at a point that I believe much of the misspelling, poor grammar, etc are not intentional. If the same scammers were better at what they did, they'd snare more marks. I think these scammers are only capable of exploiting the bottom of the barrel when it comes to discerning audiences, though.

Re: The clever reason scammers can’t spell (2019)

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I was wondering that recently. But I don't know -- I feel like they'd catch even the discerning people if they did a better job of it. Why don't they exactly replicate what a Google or Chase email looks like? I don't see how I wouldn't fall for that.

Think of it this way:

Savvy users who will become wise to the grift somewhere along the way are the ones they want to weed out. Early in the process ideally.

Having totally convincing emails fails to weed out these savvy users - you get to discover who they are a bit further down the line, after you've invested some time.

Since their time they can spend is finite, they want to only spend time on sure bets. This is why it is important to take a few moments to lead on scammers - you're damaging their ROI the more of their time you can take up.

Re: The clever reason scammers can’t spell (2019)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Best to assume they are sophisticated though. Some are gangs/organisations. They can get pretty professional.

Just because they're organized doesn't mean they aren't incompetent in other aspects of what they do. There are plenty of dumb organized criminals sitting in prisons.

The people writing the playbook I am sure are clever.

The scammers I've talked to are often dumb as rocks. And probably are not the primary beneficiaries of the grift.

Re: The clever reason scammers can’t spell (2019)

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post #14
post #3

I was wondering that recently. But I don't know -- I feel like they'd catch even the discerning people if they did a better job of it. Why don't they exactly replicate what a Google or Chase email looks like? I don't see how I wouldn't fall for that.

Think of it this way: Savvy users who will become wise to the grift somewhere along the way are the ones they want to weed out. Early in the process ideally. Having totally convincing emails fails to weed out these savvy users - you get to discover who they are a bit further down the line, after you've invested some time. Since their time they can spend is finite, they want to only spend time on sure bets. This is wh…

You've just restated exactly what the article says, but yeah.

Re: The clever reason scammers can’t spell (2019)

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There's actually a building in Lagos where the Nigerian Prince scammers all work. Hugh Sinclair has seen it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhdZ2RfmiXo&list=PL4ugKP-T4L...

I would think they do know exactly what they're doing. There's no reason to think it's just to get past email filters or just to skip the smart people. It's probably both, plus other reasons we haven't even thought of.

Re: The clever reason scammers can’t spell (2019)

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Close to 20 years ago I got an email that in it's entirety said "I have a powful tool. I suspect youd like it", exactly as written. No links, no attachments, just plain text. I showed it to my then girlfriend and now wife and since then we have adopted "powful tool" as a term we apply to really great devices or machinery of impressive heritage or even some good software. Warms my heart.
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