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Re: Discord’s Creator Portal

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tl;dr it looks like Discord is working to introduce paid servers, channels, etc intended for content creators to monetize fan interaction. The vibe their docs give off makes it feel similar to how Patreon allows you to get exclusive content and chat direct with creators, but it does feel weird putting a direct price tag on participating on an instant messaging app. Discord is pretty explicit about creators governing…

I think the way this will work out in practice is basically how the bridges between Patreon + Discord already work, but with better integration to Discord features. Basically the way most of these work today is if you become a Patron you get a role and get added to some private discord channels with other subscribers, but the base server remains accessible to all. This makes sense from a marketing/activity/alignment…

My assumption here is that this is built to replace Patreon entirely.

"Sub to my Discord or sub to my Patreon to get exclusive content!" eventually becomes, "Sub to my Discord to get exclusive content!" and cuts out Patreon entirely.

Re: Discord’s Creator Portal

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>...this move does feel like they're just going to encourage more and more of the net to be blocked off behind a paywall. On a personal level I have no problem with this. It's just one way of moderating and curating your community. Not everyone has the time and resources to deal with a free for all.

Agreed. It's hard to create quality content, and even harder to do it without being able to monetize that content. "The Internet should be free!" that's just not sustainable. I'm sorry but it isn't.

That's just it. The internet was never free. There has pretty much always been some method that people have been making money off of creating content for it, in some format or another. Whether it be basic ads, affiliate links, sponsorship spots, or web stores; the internet has always been paid for somehow in some way. And that's before we discuss things like ISP's providing that connection to it in the first place.

People who think the internet is or should be free, are disconnected from reality. I grew up with what we called farmer vision, but others would know it as rabbit ear or aerial tv. You had 3 to maybe 5 basic channels in your area if you were lucky; and they were all paid for by ads... er... commercials. The idea was that the content was technically free, since you didn't really need to watch the commercials. (You could just go to the bathroom, make a snack, get a drink, etc.) But the paid advertisement was paying for that broadcast, and so you ultimately had to put up with your shows being interrupted.

YouTube does nothing different, really. Yet look at all the flak they get for their usage of the same methodology.

The internet was never free, has never been free, and never will be free. You will always be paying for it somehow; whether it be out of pocket, via attention, or your data. TV was no different, up to the data part; and set-top boxes changed that too. Once those could phone home and report usage, especially to thwart piracy; your data became another potential sales figure for even the tv stations.

I personally would much rather we have an internet culture where we don't mind paying for the things we like, and want to see continue to exist. This would essentially democratize the internet; though it may also induce a segregation of the unwealthy from being able to participate... but those people tend to be children and the poor. Children don't pay for anything, their parents do. And if the poor or their parents don't have enough money to pay for 1-10$ subscriptions on a monthly basis; then they have much more serious things to consider. Like getting a job, or a better paying one. Not their usage of the internet.

Besides, if they already are paying for a basic connection, they shouldn't have much trouble paying for the few things they enjoy to use. Alternatively, they could opt-in to be a data source for free access or something like that. Or see more ads per hour. Keep it more open for everyone.

But that still goes to prove the point. The net is not free. Never has been, never will be. So we would be wise to setup a good culture around it while we still can, before the greediest of us start to make it terrible for everyone, and not just the poor.

I like the concept that Brave browser uses for this reason. It's just too bad that with the way things are going with crypto right now, that it's going to get some bad rep from it likely. Also doesn't help that the devs behind it are... less than stellar. But that's another can of worms aside from this giant one.

Re: Discord’s Creator Portal

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the way this will work out in practice is basically how the bridges between Patreon + Discord already work, but with better integration to Discord features. Basically the way most of these work today is if you become a Patron you get a role and get added to some private discord channels with other subscribers, but the base server remains accessible to all. This makes sense from a marketing/activity/alignment…

My assumption here is that this is built to replace Patreon entirely. "Sub to my Discord or sub to my Patreon to get exclusive content!" eventually becomes, "Sub to my Discord to get exclusive content!" and cuts out Patreon entirely.

You can connect more things to Patreon - your website, custom apps, even software and provide patron-only features from all of those thanks to Patreon. To compete with Patreon, Discord needs to provide all of that.

Re: Discord’s Creator Portal

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tl;dr it looks like Discord is working to introduce paid servers, channels, etc intended for content creators to monetize fan interaction. The vibe their docs give off makes it feel similar to how Patreon allows you to get exclusive content and chat direct with creators, but it does feel weird putting a direct price tag on participating on an instant messaging app. Discord is pretty explicit about creators governing…

I think the way this will work out in practice is basically how the bridges between Patreon + Discord already work, but with better integration to Discord features. Basically the way most of these work today is if you become a Patron you get a role and get added to some private discord channels with other subscribers, but the base server remains accessible to all. This makes sense from a marketing/activity/alignment…

Seems like this would be better served with just patreon and only fans integration. Discord could charge the creators to turn it on. Why would I subscribe to someone once on there and then again to them on discord.

Re: Discord’s Creator Portal

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My assumption here is that this is built to replace Patreon entirely. "Sub to my Discord or sub to my Patreon to get exclusive content!" eventually becomes, "Sub to my Discord to get exclusive content!" and cuts out Patreon entirely.

You can connect more things to Patreon - your website, custom apps, even software and provide patron-only features from all of those thanks to Patreon. To compete with Patreon, Discord needs to provide all of that.

Not really, the Discord API will probably supply some sort of status per user in a given discord channel.

Discord is already setup for users to interact with server bots on a rich command palate. Bots at this point are just server extensions.

Webhooks have been a thing for ages.

Discord is arguably one of the easiest services to bind to from a developer's perspective.

Re: Discord’s Creator Portal

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tl;dr it looks like Discord is working to introduce paid servers, channels, etc intended for content creators to monetize fan interaction. The vibe their docs give off makes it feel similar to how Patreon allows you to get exclusive content and chat direct with creators, but it does feel weird putting a direct price tag on participating on an instant messaging app. Discord is pretty explicit about creators governing…

Their user overlap with Twitch is so strong that it makes sense to replicate the Twitch model of creator subscriber 'rev share'.

I'm not sure it'll pan out as successfully though, but we will see.

Re: Discord’s Creator Portal

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What's their cut relative to using Patreon? Edit: "They get 90% of what they charge; Discord takes the other 10% as its fee." https://www.tubefilter.com/2022/06/16/discord-premium-member...

The interesting part is that it seems like it's a flat 10%, which includes the payment processing fees:

> our payment for each purchase will be the price set by you, less ten percent (10%), unless we expressly state otherwise in writing to you. This ten percent will cover transaction costs such as payment processing fees and the cost of providing tools, features, and support described above.

This gives them an edge for cheaper subscription over the alternatives, so you can sell a $1 subscription and get $0.9. Other similar platforms (hyper, upgrade.chat) take a fee on top of the payment processors, so you might get 0.30$ base fee + 3% from the payment processor, and an extra 3-6% from the platform itself.

Re: Discord’s Creator Portal

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My assumption here is that this is built to replace Patreon entirely. "Sub to my Discord or sub to my Patreon to get exclusive content!" eventually becomes, "Sub to my Discord to get exclusive content!" and cuts out Patreon entirely.

You can connect more things to Patreon - your website, custom apps, even software and provide patron-only features from all of those thanks to Patreon. To compete with Patreon, Discord needs to provide all of that.

discord is easily the most common integration with Patreon, in fact it's often a strict superset of the value of being a patron (i.e. discord contains all of the content which then gets posted to patreon shortly afterwards). Discord can easily replace patreon for a lot of creators with this.
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