Mapping out the tribes of climate

Post by AtlasBarfed » Fri, Dec 02, 2022, 6:39 AM UTC

alfor wrote: post #4

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #2

Not a horrible framing of things, although the dominant (and likely best) movement is simple technologism, where emerging battery / ev / solar / wind / geothermal / nuclear / vertical farming / artificial meat / etc disrupt mass swathes of traditional / politically entrenched industries. That's spread across "max energy" (not really), "climate tech" (kind of dismissive of the results/payout). What it really shows is…

Climate change is an arm of the modern leftist religion. I would like to see more a analysis of all the problems we have, how they rank in urgency and rank solutions with how effective they are. From what I see we will rapidly transition to solar/wind/battery/ev way before climate become a real problem.

And you're a climate expert? You have all the nonlinear dynamics figured out and a good planet wide model?

You know the exact amount of species extinctions that the ecosystem can sustain?

You know the geopolitical dynamics that can help with a billion climate refugees?

You know how to keep phytoplankton generating oxygen in the seas when they acidify, or the temperate rises above where their proteins properly function?

So you got it all figured out?

Post by alfor » Fri, Dec 02, 2022, 6:41 PM UTC

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #11

alfor wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Climate change is an arm of the modern leftist religion. I would like to see more a analysis of all the problems we have, how they rank in urgency and rank solutions with how effective they are. From what I see we will rapidly transition to solar/wind/battery/ev way before climate become a real problem.

And you're a climate expert? You have all the nonlinear dynamics figured out and a good planet wide model? You know the exact amount of species extinctions that the ecosystem can sustain? You know the geopolitical dynamics that can help with a billion climate refugees? You know how to keep phytoplankton generating oxygen in the seas when they acidify, or the temperate rises above where their proteins properly functio…

No one have all the answers, that’s why we have to ask question, reflect and not fall into dogma and binary thinking.

I know a bit on renewable (big fan) and I can say they are doing a fantastic job, will replace everything soon (search Tony Seba) if you want to see where it’s going.

The transition toward RE is underway, it doesn’t show in co2 produce because they are still a small fraction, but on an exponential path of growth.

I think that the top down control and decision by government and the collusion with media is a far bigger and more urgent problem.

Let’s say you want the world to spend 1T$ for the climate this year, how much good will it do? How? When?

Could you do something better, save real life of real people this year instead of the future people of an hypothetical future.

You can look at this to see another perspective https://www.copenhagenconsensus.com/ https://www.copenhagenconsensus.com/copenhagen-consensus-cli...

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