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Why I'm considering giving to beggars.

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Re: Why I'm considering giving to beggars.

#11
Lots of beggars use drugs to cope with the fact that they have no homes. Shelters are disgusting, in most cities, generally. If you don't believe that, watch the documentary Streets of Plenty, or visit a few. Sure, there are a couple nice ones here and there, but most are lurid.

With that said, I will give a beggar money and do not care if they use it to buy drugs and alcohol. The only reason I wouldn't give a beggar money is if they were the confrontational type that runs after you or ambushes you as you open your car door. That is an instant no.

Finally, a great reason to give a beggar money is that many times charities can't be trusted either. If you give the beggar money, you know you are going direct. Cut out the middle man. Comedian Steve Hughes said it best here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXpUwBJ2SS8

Re: Why I'm considering giving to beggars.

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Even if 10 of them use it for booze and drugs, that 11th one that you give to and feeds her kids for the night is worth every penny that the others use to chemically escape their realities. To be honest, I think it's worth those pennies for helping the first 10 as well. To steal a quote from Sports Night : Isaac: Danny, every morning I leave an acre and a half of the most beautiful property in New Canaan, get on a tr…

In this day and age even if you are afraid they're going to spend the money on booze you can buy them a gift card to a nearby restaurant...

...which promptly can be sold for cash money.

Re: Why I'm considering giving to beggars.

#15
There are many ways to give to the poor and giving to the poor on a regular, consistent schedule is in my humble opinion, a moral imperative.

However, giving handouts to beggars is a terrible idea. You are encouraging loitering and more importantly, depending on the location, they can pull in more cash than a menial job would. While that may leave a bad taste in your mouth, that's not the worst of it. Keep in mind that when it comes to begging, location is key. This invites competition and since the police nor the courts will step in to resolve disputes between beggars claiming a corner ... well, that will simply breed violence.

Please, just give money to a local organization that assists the poor, like a soup kitchen.

Re: Why I'm considering giving to beggars.

#16
Would it be possible to be a beggar if everyone who passed you on the street did their utmost to help you out? Not for long I wouldn't think.

Actually, you're right, but not for the reason you think. If everyone gave money to beggars every-time they saw one, pretty soon we would have nothing but beggars.

Re: Why I'm considering giving to beggars.

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On my last trip to Germany (1998, ~2 weeks in each of Nuremburg, Berlin, and Freiburg with a host family), there was no shortage of beggars on the street. You're not getting your Geld 's worth, if you know what I meine .

I know, it isn't really working :-) But I think most beggars are probably mentally deranged, so that they are incapable of receiving the benefits. Also there are now proposals to pay a base income to everyone, without fuss, but it is doubtful if it will ever be implemented. And nobody knows what would be the effect.

Really? No one knows what the effect would be of paying people a base income regardless of whether or not they work? I think we've seen ample evidence over the last century of exactly what the effect would be.

Re: Why I'm considering giving to beggars.

#18
Maybe it’s not about the self and one’s “philosophy”. When I see a person begging (or otherwise doing something needy or disruptive), I ask the most practical question possible:

Has this person had a harder day/week/month than I have? In another phrasing, am I more privileged than this person, as a matter of luck?

The truth is, I know very little about the person except that they are (ostensibly) suffering. The idea that my “encouragement” is going to affect their behavior is terribly ignorant and self-centered.

They might be a wife-beater, or someone who’s simply been dealt a terrible hand and can’t take care of themselves. Or both.

The idea that my giving money will have a substantial negative impact on this person is small and unknowable. It’s outweighed by the likelihood of a positive impact.

This doesn’t mean I give a lot, or often. But I consider that a shortcoming, not a philosophy.

Re: Why I'm considering giving to beggars.

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Would it be possible to be a beggar if everyone who passed you on the street did their utmost to help you out? Not for long I wouldn't think. Actually, you're right, but not for the reason you think. If everyone gave money to beggars every-time they saw one, pretty soon we would have nothing but beggars.

I suppose that's one possible scenario but I don't think I personally would become one. I think a lot people feel the same.

I think if we were to start over as a society without the social norms of begging like we have now and everyone were to give if they saw the 1st person ever on the street things might be a different and we might not have people who are on the street for extended periods like we do now.

I wonder if there's a way to test this out.

Re: Why I'm considering giving to beggars.

#20

Maybe it’s not about the self and one’s “philosophy”. When I see a person begging (or otherwise doing something needy or disruptive), I ask the most practical question possible: Has this person had a harder day/week/month than I have? In another phrasing, am I more privileged than this person, as a matter of luck? The truth is, I know very little about the person except that they are (ostensibly) suffering. The idea…

"The idea that my “encouragement” is going to affect their behavior is terribly ignorant and self-centered."

This is why it would be nice if we could all be consistent in our encouragement one way or the other. If we all did the same thing we might actually make a difference.

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