Keep the Internet free and open (2012)

Post by gradstudent » Fri, Nov 25, 2022, 9:40 PM UTC

unity1001 wrote: post #6

chaostheory wrote: post #4

Vint Cerf was right. The internet is dead. What we have now is the splinternet, where a lot of countries have giant Galapagos intranets. We can all thank China and Cisco with the innovation of The Great Firewall for this

> We can all thank China and Cisco with the innovation of The Great Firewall for this So large Western corporations consolidating the majority of the Internet use in their hands, and then censoring/controlling it through algorithms is ok. Horrible when governments do any kind of regulation/control. All ok if its done by unaccountable private tyrants for profit...

Post by chaostheory » Fri, Nov 25, 2022, 11:17 PM UTC

unity1001 wrote: post #6

chaostheory wrote: post #4

Vint Cerf was right. The internet is dead. What we have now is the splinternet, where a lot of countries have giant Galapagos intranets. We can all thank China and Cisco with the innovation of The Great Firewall for this

> We can all thank China and Cisco with the innovation of The Great Firewall for this So large Western corporations consolidating the majority of the Internet use in their hands, and then censoring/controlling it through algorithms is ok. Horrible when governments do any kind of regulation/control. All ok if its done by unaccountable private tyrants for profit...

Post by chaostheory » Fri, Nov 25, 2022, 11:20 PM UTC

Kye wrote: post #7

unity1001 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We can all thank China and Cisco with the innovation of The Great Firewall for this So large Western corporations consolidating the majority of the Internet use in their hands, and then censoring/controlling it through algorithms is ok. Horrible when governments do any kind of regulation/control. All ok if its done by unaccountable private tyrants for profit...

I read chaostheory's post several times and can't find a way to read it that looks like they're endorsing corporate centralization. In fact, there's no commentary on it at all.

Post by musicale » Fri, Nov 25, 2022, 11:49 PM UTC

gradstudent wrote: post #11

unity1001 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We can all thank China and Cisco with the innovation of The Great Firewall for this So large Western corporations consolidating the majority of the Internet use in their hands, and then censoring/controlling it through algorithms is ok. Horrible when governments do any kind of regulation/control. All ok if its done by unaccountable private tyrants for profit...

I will never understand why private companies curating their platforms is equated with censorship. In China (and elsewhere) a central government curates acceptable speech. If you don't comply you go to jail. In the "West" you might get kicked off a platform, which diminishes your reach, but doesn't extinguish your speech. You can always find another soapbox. Or start your own, as one recent ex-president demonstrated.

Post by int_19h » Sat, Nov 26, 2022, 12:09 AM UTC

gradstudent wrote: post #11

unity1001 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We can all thank China and Cisco with the innovation of The Great Firewall for this So large Western corporations consolidating the majority of the Internet use in their hands, and then censoring/controlling it through algorithms is ok. Horrible when governments do any kind of regulation/control. All ok if its done by unaccountable private tyrants for profit...

I will never understand why private companies curating their platforms is equated with censorship. In China (and elsewhere) a central government curates acceptable speech. If you don't comply you go to jail. In the "West" you might get kicked off a platform, which diminishes your reach, but doesn't extinguish your speech. You can always find another soapbox. Or start your own, as one recent ex-president demonstrated.