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Musk Issues Ultimatum to Staff: Commit to Hardcore Twitter or Take Severance

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Re: Musk Issues Ultimatum to Staff: Commit to Hardcore Twitter or Take Severance

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Post by Balgair »

jstx1 wrote: post #4

> “If you are sure that you want to be part of the new Twitter, please click yes on the link below,” > Anyone who did not sign the pledge by 5 p.m. Eastern time Thursday was told they would receive three months of severance pay, the message said. So he's giving everyone a voluntary redundancy option? I hope a lot of people take it. > “This will mean working long hours at high intensity,” he said. “Only exceptional pe…

Given how frantic Elon seems to be right now, I'd doubt that he would even notice if you were slacking off or just BSing. If Twitter has employees that now just snitch on the others to inform Elon, then it's already dead as all trust is gone.

If I were in the position, I'd sign the pledge (after reading it for legal gotchca's) and just try to get another job as my full time job. What's the worst that's gonna happen? You'll get fired again?

Re: Musk Issues Ultimatum to Staff: Commit to Hardcore Twitter or Take Severance

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Post by amelius »

jstx1 wrote: post #4

> “If you are sure that you want to be part of the new Twitter, please click yes on the link below,” > Anyone who did not sign the pledge by 5 p.m. Eastern time Thursday was told they would receive three months of severance pay, the message said. So he's giving everyone a voluntary redundancy option? I hope a lot of people take it. > “This will mean working long hours at high intensity,” he said. “Only exceptional pe…

> This is just fascinating to watch from the sidelines.

This is chilling. If Musk gets what he wants and you are a programmer anywhere, then this might one day apply to you too ...

Re: Musk Issues Ultimatum to Staff: Commit to Hardcore Twitter or Take Severance

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Post by amelius »

clouddrover wrote: post #8
jstx1 wrote: post #4

> “If you are sure that you want to be part of the new Twitter, please click yes on the link below,” > Anyone who did not sign the pledge by 5 p.m. Eastern time Thursday was told they would receive three months of severance pay, the message said. So he's giving everyone a voluntary redundancy option? I hope a lot of people take it. > “This will mean working long hours at high intensity,” he said. “Only exceptional pe…

> “This will mean working long hours at high intensity,” I bet long hours for no increase in pay, which is wage theft. Apparently Musk's pathway to profit is to steal from others.

Modern slavery. He might get away with it, as laws are lacking behind as usual. And he may even be copied by other employers if successful.

Re: Musk Issues Ultimatum to Staff: Commit to Hardcore Twitter or Take Severance

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Post by jstx1 »

amelius wrote: post #12
jstx1 wrote: post #4

> “If you are sure that you want to be part of the new Twitter, please click yes on the link below,” > Anyone who did not sign the pledge by 5 p.m. Eastern time Thursday was told they would receive three months of severance pay, the message said. So he's giving everyone a voluntary redundancy option? I hope a lot of people take it. > “This will mean working long hours at high intensity,” he said. “Only exceptional pe…

> This is just fascinating to watch from the sidelines. This is chilling. If Musk gets what he wants and you are a programmer anywhere, then this might one day apply to you too ...

It can happen to anyone anyway, regardless of what Musk does. That's already how many companies operate.

Re: Musk Issues Ultimatum to Staff: Commit to Hardcore Twitter or Take Severance

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Post by spinlock_ »

amelius wrote: post #12
jstx1 wrote: post #4

> “If you are sure that you want to be part of the new Twitter, please click yes on the link below,” > Anyone who did not sign the pledge by 5 p.m. Eastern time Thursday was told they would receive three months of severance pay, the message said. So he's giving everyone a voluntary redundancy option? I hope a lot of people take it. > “This will mean working long hours at high intensity,” he said. “Only exceptional pe…

> This is just fascinating to watch from the sidelines. This is chilling. If Musk gets what he wants and you are a programmer anywhere, then this might one day apply to you too ...

Well, it depends how strong the labor law is where you live.

Re: Musk Issues Ultimatum to Staff: Commit to Hardcore Twitter or Take Severance

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Post by Adirael »

Balgair wrote: post #10
clouddrover wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> “This will mean working long hours at high intensity,” I bet long hours for no increase in pay, which is wage theft. Apparently Musk's pathway to profit is to steal from others.

Most of these employees aren't hourly, they're salary.

Do salary employees in the US not have a set amount of hours they have to work per week/month/year?

Re: Musk Issues Ultimatum to Staff: Commit to Hardcore Twitter or Take Severance

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Post by Balgair »

Adirael wrote: post #16
Balgair wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of these employees aren't hourly, they're salary.

Do salary employees in the US not have a set amount of hours they have to work per week/month/year?

That's a great question. In the US salaried employees are exempt from overtime. Generally, the idea is that you are to work as much as is needed, hence the generally higher pay. There is no set amount of work per the employment contract (in general). You could work very little during slower periods, or a lot during higher demand times.

Re: Musk Issues Ultimatum to Staff: Commit to Hardcore Twitter or Take Severance

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Post by lghh »

Adirael wrote: post #16
Balgair wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of these employees aren't hourly, they're salary.

Do salary employees in the US not have a set amount of hours they have to work per week/month/year?

No, not in any instance that I have experienced or been aware of. Salary means "you need to be here 'enough'". Most of the time, enough = 40 hours + whatever extra is needed to not fall behind. Occasionally it means nearly 40 hours if you don't work at a "butts in seats" type place.

It also often means you need to be available in some capacity 24/7.

Re: Musk Issues Ultimatum to Staff: Commit to Hardcore Twitter or Take Severance

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Post by amelius »

torben-friis wrote: post #6
jstx1 wrote: post #4

> “If you are sure that you want to be part of the new Twitter, please click yes on the link below,” > Anyone who did not sign the pledge by 5 p.m. Eastern time Thursday was told they would receive three months of severance pay, the message said. So he's giving everyone a voluntary redundancy option? I hope a lot of people take it. > “This will mean working long hours at high intensity,” he said. “Only exceptional pe…

>“This will mean working long hours at high intensity,” he said. “Only exceptional performance will constitute a passing grade. I'm still astonished that this is even legal in the US, and even more surprised that there has been 0 talk of employees pushing back in a groupal way (strikes? walkouts? anything?)

Musk stated that raising your voice about the issue will certainly get you fired.
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