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Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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Planet Money did an episode on the "e-Book Wars" between libraries and publishers a week ago: https://www.npr.org/2022/11/09/1135639385/libraries-publishe...

I learned a few things about digital library books that made me sad:

* Publishers only allow a certain number of "rentals" of digital library books, after which the eBook license expires.

* Publishers also put an expiration date on the license, so after maybe two years, the eBook license expires even if nobody borrows the book.

* Publishers have repeatedly put hard limits on the abilities for libraries to purchase eBook licenses, for example allowing only one copy per library for new releases.

* Publishers raised the prices of library eBooks to be far higher than a physical book. A $15 physical book might cost $60 as an eBook to a library.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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I bought an ebook from google play once, found out it was some DRM crap instead of just a file, so I pirated it. I'm at the stage of my life now where I can buy stuff, don't punish me for it.

I generally buy books that came out recently (but pirate 10+ year old books) and the first thing I do to a new book is crack the DRM so I can just save an EPUB that I can read where I want to read it, when I want to read it.

Authors that published 10+ years ago don't have bills to pay? This is a weird moral distinction to me.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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Physical books wear out in decades to centuries, computers break in years to decades. Also digital formats are constantly evolving and backwards compatibility for old formats is removed. Even without publisher/legal issues it's clear that preservation of digital media for even the next 10 years , and especially for the next 100 or 1000, is at risk. But I really wonder why is there no other major service like the Inte…

Trade paperbacks will wear out in months or years. Zip files containing HTML documents... we'll be able to read them for a very long time.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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Digital books are a scam. I never bought (and will never buy) one.

Every hoop is taken to make them like real books whether it makes sense or not, except for the time when you actually want to lend or give them to someone else. Then it gets complicated, depends on the vendor, or is simply impossible.

I have no need for that.

Imagine 200 years in the future, all license servers are disabled and we cannot read our own (digital) books anymore.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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>Ever try to read a physical book passed down in your family from 100 years ago? Probably worked well.

No, it worked terribly because they hadn't been stored well and were covered in mold (even the ones from only 70 years ago) or otherwise falling apart. I couldn't search them for specific phrases I remembered my grandfather reading me as a child, and I didn't have the physical space of my own to store them all either anyway. Even making a stab at indexing them all was enormously labor intensive. I was the only one in the family interested in even trying. It really sucked.

>Ever try reading an ebook you paid for 10 years ago? Probably a different experience.

Yes, it was excellent, since naturally it was DRM-free or I wouldn't have paid for it. I have digital stuff from the 80s, still perfectly preserved, that I can call up as I wish, when I wish, anywhere I wish anywhere in the world.

I'm 100% onboard with the correct argument that modern copyright and DRM go against the core bargain of IP (societal agreement for public benefit) and could use major reform. But I don't think this piece does a very good job of making that argument, the entire comparison and pretending that books don't require any sort of preservation and so on really distracts from the core issues.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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I totally agree that digital media isn't anywhere near as permanent as many people think. Here today, gone tomorrow. But I've moved all my reading over to Kindle, even so. Because my old eyes can't handle paperbacks anymore. And reading glasses make me so very ill. That's a personal problem, yes, but it is 100% of why I buy eBooks now and why I'm glad they're an option. I guess I could back up the Kindle books, right…

Calibre + DeDRM plugin can make your purchases yours. There are also sites that host pirated books.

In 2013 or 14 when I decided to get an ereader, I went from Nook to Kobo because Nook books weren't crackable, and then from Kobo to Kindle because I liked the form factor and fonts better.

The moment I can't strip DRM from Amazon books is the day I pirate everything, and will purchase deadtree books to give to the library.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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Physical books wear out in decades to centuries, computers break in years to decades. Also digital formats are constantly evolving and backwards compatibility for old formats is removed. Even without publisher/legal issues it's clear that preservation of digital media for even the next 10 years , and especially for the next 100 or 1000, is at risk. But I really wonder why is there no other major service like the Inte…

> Also digital formats are constantly evolving and backwards compatibility for old formats is removed.

While that was certainly true at one time, Unicode text, HTML, XML, and ZIP files aren't going anywhere (or there'll be a collapse of society so thorough that print books are unlikely to survive, either).

EPUB books are basically XHTML and XML zipped up along with any external assets (e.g., images). There are nuances, but a DRM-free EPUB book should be readable indefinitely. You can check this out by unzipping the EPUB and looking at the files inside with a web browser (if you're doing it from a GUI, you will probably have to change the file extension to .zip first, so it unzips rather than opens in your ebook reader software).

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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DRM-laden digital books should be seen like the extra cheap paperbacks which fall apart sitting untouched on the shelf after a couple of years. Extremely different than the well-bound books one might think of when handling a 100 year old book.

Non-DRM'd ebooks in formats which are open, easily parseable, and that people care to archive should be fine for a long time. Some people here are talking about a decade as if we won't be able to parse epubs or text files in 10 years. I've got documents >30 years old already which are still easily parsed, and I don't imagine I'll have problems rendering them in another 30 years.

I'll be utterly amazed if we can't render a basic HTML document, text-focused PDF, or hell even just ASCII text in the year 2032. I also have little doubt I'll still technically be able to load my DVDs or Blu-Rays of that data in 2032 and copy it into the holographic crystal storage devices that'll come out just before that.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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Digital books are a scam. I never bought (and will never buy) one. Every hoop is taken to make them like real books whether it makes sense or not, except for the time when you actually want to lend or give them to someone else. Then it gets complicated, depends on the vendor, or is simply impossible. I have no need for that. Imagine 200 years in the future, all license servers are disabled and we cannot read our own…

There are tons of DRM-free ebooks out there, including some from major publishing houses.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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Digital books are a scam. I never bought (and will never buy) one. Every hoop is taken to make them like real books whether it makes sense or not, except for the time when you actually want to lend or give them to someone else. Then it gets complicated, depends on the vendor, or is simply impossible. I have no need for that. Imagine 200 years in the future, all license servers are disabled and we cannot read our own…

Digital books are fine. You can get many of them without DRM.

DRM sucks. Period. But as of today, it can be removed after purchase, which means its longevity will depend on backup strategies, not licensing servers.

Can that change? Sure. But it's not the case today, and we don't see it on the horizon.

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