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Good Old Fashioned AI is dead, long live New-Fangled AI

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Re: Good Old Fashioned AI is dead, long live New-Fangled AI

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The "new-fangled" AI, as the article calls it, is often useful when the stakes are low, and you can accept mistakes in outcomes. Examples of such applications are: trying to determine which of your friends occur in a photo, which movies a subscriber may be interested in, or which action could lead to victory in a computer game. Getting a rough translation of a newspaper entry, as mentioned in the article, is also a g…

GOFAI was never more than a rules engine. If-then statements. Agree with you about probabilistic AI being useful in low-stakes situations, at least at first.

> GOFAI was never more than a rules engine.

GOFAI "aged out" of the AI label and became: compilers, databases, search algorithms, planning algorithms, programming languages, theorem proving, a million things that are still commonly used in NLP/CV/robotics, comp arch, etc. Aka, most of what makes computers actually useful.

If something's over 30 years old and is still called AI, that's just shorthand for saying it's a failed idea that in the best case hasn't had its moment yet.

> If-then statements.

99.999% of the software I use is just if-then statements.

(Also, this is like saying that deep learning is Linear Algebra.)

Re: Good Old Fashioned AI is dead, long live New-Fangled AI

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>The heart of GOFAI is searching – of trees and, more generally, graphs.

and because of this GOFAI, unlike the title suggests, and algorithmic solutions will continue to underpin a huge chunk of applications that don't fall in any 'natural' or generative domain. When you have an algorithmically optimal or closed form mathematical solution to a problem trying to approximate that with some new method from data doesn't make sense just because it's cool.

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"Finally, a vital question is, how will this affect today’s working artists? Here the answer is not so optimistic."

I have a different take on this. I think this technology will allow more people, not less, to make money as a living (so, professionally) in a visual arts related industry. So I'm broadening the field to include not just "artists" but "commercial art" as well (designers, commercial illustrators, video/film post-production, etc.).

The reason is that it changes and lowers the bar to entry for these fields, automates away a lot of the labor intensive work, thereby lowering the cost of production.

Whenever something becomes cheaper (in this case, labor for art), its consumption increases. So in the future, because producing commercial art is so much cheaper, it will be consumed a lot more.

At the same time, we're not at the point where we can actually remove humans entirely from the process. AI generated art is a different process and requires a different skillset, but it still requires skill and learning to do well.

The analogy would be something like a word processor reducing the number of secretaries needed in the workforce, but increasing the number of office workers. People no longer need someone to take notes / dictation, but all kinds of new workflows emerged on top of the technology, and almost all office workers need to know how to use something like a word processor.

Therefore, the opportunity here to do is to build tooling that make it easier and more accessible for more people to work with AI image generation.

Disclaimer: I'm doing exactly that (building tooling to make content generation easier and more accessible) with https://synapticpaint.com/

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People spend an awful lot of time talking about current successes in AI without often reflecting on how much (or little actually) AI impacts their lives. Despite all of the energy put into current gen AI, as far as every day impacts the biggest things I can think of are: - Spam filtering/email sorting - Web search - GPS/Wayfinding - Voice assistants These are the only practical applications of "AI" that I use more or…

Most novel AI serves the user perfectly well. And since this type of AI requires lots of labelled data, these users are typically large data harvesting organisations.

Some other applications that you may use daily are translate and face unlock/recognition.

It’s interesting that you mention search and spam filtering which both include an adversarial component. It seems to me that the adversarial AI has become better, in line of expectation from the democratisation of AI tools and knowledge.

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It could affect commercial artist deeply, like game artists and commercial illustrators making logos and icons and whatnot.

But it won't affect studio artists at all. Studio art is not about "the image", it's about the practice, physical qualities of the artifacts, and an ongoing evolution of the artist.

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The "new-fangled" AI, as the article calls it, is often useful when the stakes are low, and you can accept mistakes in outcomes. Examples of such applications are: trying to determine which of your friends occur in a photo, which movies a subscriber may be interested in, or which action could lead to victory in a computer game. Getting a rough translation of a newspaper entry, as mentioned in the article, is also a g…

Well said

Re: Good Old Fashioned AI is dead, long live New-Fangled AI

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As always, they mis-spelled the acronym for "Machine Learning". There's nothing "Artificial" or "Intelligent" here but a mathematical algorithm operating on an algorithmically-encoded dataset.

If anything, it's closer to an encryption algorithm where the keys can decrypt deterministic parts of the plantext from the cyphertext and soften the edges a bit.

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The "new-fangled" AI, as the article calls it, is often useful when the stakes are low, and you can accept mistakes in outcomes. Examples of such applications are: trying to determine which of your friends occur in a photo, which movies a subscriber may be interested in, or which action could lead to victory in a computer game. Getting a rough translation of a newspaper entry, as mentioned in the article, is also a g…

So, there's an area of research that's under way called "AI Assurance" which seeks to answer many of these questions.

Some things they're attempting:

- Creating explainable outcomes by tracing the inner works of ML models.

- Looking for biases in models using random inputs & looking for biased outputs.

- Using training sets with differently weighted models to find attacks and biases.

etc.

Re: Good Old Fashioned AI is dead, long live New-Fangled AI

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As always, they mis-spelled the acronym for "Machine Learning". There's nothing "Artificial" or "Intelligent" here but a mathematical algorithm operating on an algorithmically-encoded dataset. If anything, it's closer to an encryption algorithm where the keys can decrypt deterministic parts of the plantext from the cyphertext and soften the edges a bit.

I like to equate it to a lossy compression.
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