I'd be grateful if someone would explain what this really means to us Roman alphabet users. An npm trove on Github isn't ringing any bells. A sad Google translate doesn't work either. Please explain.
Ukraïnśka Latynka
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#12I think that a Latin variant of Ukrainian language must avoid diacritics. They are completely foreign and will annoy people which hurdles future wide adoption. I like a variant called Farbetka [1]. It is close to something I would like to see being widely used.
[1] facebook.com/notes/farbetka/фарбетка-позиційна-українська-латиниця-без-діакритики/534910516989409/
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#13This will never happen, but I wish we could go the other direction and write Polish and Czech/Slovak in Cyrillic. They would be so much easier to read! SZCZ is only one letter!
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#14I'd be grateful if someone would explain what this really means to us Roman alphabet users. An npm trove on Github isn't ringing any bells. A sad Google translate doesn't work either. Please explain.
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#15I'd be grateful if someone would explain what this really means to us Roman alphabet users. An npm trove on Github isn't ringing any bells. A sad Google translate doesn't work either. Please explain.
Of course, the Cyrillic alphabet was not invented for Russia, it was invented for all the Slavic languages. The reason Czech/Slovak/Polish use the Latin alphabet is because they are Catholic countries and the Pope at the time REQUIRED Catholic countries to use the Latin alphabet. This is the reason why Czech/Slovak/Polish are so hard to read to Western Europeans - they use the Latin alphabet in a very idiosyncratic way, with all sorts of di/tri/quadgraphs and diacritic marks to represent sounds that are very simply represented in Cyrillic.
I think Ukrainian is too connected with Cyrillic to switch to Latin, especially because of the religious and cultural roots - the Ukrainian orthodox church, like other Slavic orthodox churches, uses the Cyrillic alphabet natively. The Cyrillic alphabet does not belong to Russia. It was invented before Russia even existed. So I doubt Ukrainian will move away from Cyrillic like they are trying in Kazakhstan. But this software package makes it easier to see what it would feel like to move Ukrainian to Latin.
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#16I'm not sure if any of the proposed latinization variants would retain this feature.
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#17Is this an official variant, if it exists at all? I assume one can come up with different ways of transforming Cyrillic alphabet into Latin one.
There are lots of them, you can choose in the settings: https://paiv.github.io/latynka/en/ Note that rules are different for different languages, even among those using Cyrillic. E.g. letter "г" is "h" in Ukrainian, but "g" in Russian. "И" in Russian is "i", which is a letter on its own in Ukrainian, while Ukrainian "И" is transliterated to "y".
German and English and Dutch are often called Germanic languages. For example kirchegaard -> has an obvious route if you squint to: "church yard". Often y -> g or d -> g. So day becomes tag. The German word for (Eng) day is tag. "Guten tag" ... gooden dag/gudden tag and other spellings is middle english for "good day".
There is a town in England called Weybury. There is a town in Germany called Wegberg. G -> Y. Almost certainly that is bollocks but it makes a nice story. The burg and bury bit is probably right - a fortified town. Wey -> Weg is probably wrong even though way and weg (that means way in German too),
This will need a proper linguist to interject.
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#18In Ukrainian language words spell exactly how they are pronounced (unlike Russian, btw). It's very convenient. Every Ukrainian letter always corresponds to the same respective sound. You know exactly how to correctly pronounce any word, even if you see it for the first time. I'm not sure if any of the proposed latinization variants would retain this feature.
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#19I'd be grateful if someone would explain what this really means to us Roman alphabet users. An npm trove on Github isn't ringing any bells. A sad Google translate doesn't work either. Please explain.
The romanized text is super easy for me to understand as a Polish person, for what it's worth.
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#20I'd be grateful if someone would explain what this really means to us Roman alphabet users. An npm trove on Github isn't ringing any bells. A sad Google translate doesn't work either. Please explain.
I think it's actually a political protest. Ukrainian more-or-less shares an alphabet with Russian. A number of former Soviet countries that in the past shared an alphabet with Russian have been abandoning Cyrillic and moving to the Latin alphabet. This software makes it possible for Ukrainians to transliterate text easily to Latin. I think people might want to do that because they are just so mad at Russia. Of course…
with what total population, and what total publication history ? .. personally I support diverse languages to survive ..