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What You (Want to)* Want

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Re: What You (Want to)* Want

#11
Why is PG writing these pseudo-scientific metaphysical posts? His last post on Alien Truth was a disaster. Now this?

I normally enjoy PG's writings! His writings on Lisp had good influence on me. But these recent posts are embarrassing.

How can someone who has had so much influence in tech communities bring themselves to write these pseudo-scientific posts so glibly?

Re: What You (Want to)* Want

#12

IMO free will is only the guarantee by God that he won't be messing with our program while it's running. Ie. He won't use His debugger to change our state, or make us do things that are not in our programming. Free will is us programs running NOT under God's debugger. This is not to say that we don't have a say in our ultimate wants, assuming we can't change them. Perhaps we (our soul) still decided on them originall…

I believe this to be similar to Epicurus' excuse [1]: He couldn't publicly say that there are no gods as creators, because that would have been blasphemy. But he wanted to take away the fear that everybody had of punishment by gods. So he argued that our (human) lives aren't important enough for the gods to mess with.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurus#Theology

Re: What You (Want to)* Want

#13

IMO free will is only the guarantee by God that he won't be messing with our program while it's running. Ie. He won't use His debugger to change our state, or make us do things that are not in our programming. Free will is us programs running NOT under God's debugger. This is not to say that we don't have a say in our ultimate wants, assuming we can't change them. Perhaps we (our soul) still decided on them originall…

> He won't use His debugger to change our state, or make us do things that are not in our programming

I don't quite understand - you're using our "programming" as an argument that we have free will? Wouldn't our "programming" imply that our will is already deterministic?

In other words, is there any difference between our will being driven by our programming, and driven by God's debugger? We're following orders either way...

Re: What You (Want to)* Want

#14
A common misunderstanding about the human brain is that we think of the higher part to be more or less in control of the rest, like a conductor with an orchestra or a pilot with an airplane.

The reality is much weirder and complex.

Re: What You (Want to)* Want

#15
I used to think that free will existed but now I am surprised we even think that. Just looking inwards is enough to convince me that I have no idea what I am going to think next, type next, or how I am even going to finish this sentence. It simply arrives and I am the first (and possibly only) one to experience it. I cannot will the will to will.

Re: What You (Want to)* Want

#16
Are doing and wanting really two different things?

Both start by thinking, and choosing to think about X is certainly in our control¹. So at the bottom of it, both are just chemical reactions in your brain, willingly set off by your ghost.

¹that is not to say that not thinking about Y is also in our control.

Re: What You (Want to)* Want

#17
> We can get arbitrarily close to a true statement by adding more "want to"s in much the same way we can get arbitrarily close to 1 by adding more 9s to a string of 9s following a decimal point. In practice three or four "want to"s must surely be enough.

Ultrafinite recursion strikes again!

Re: What You (Want to)* Want

#19
post #10

I probably don't have much to contribute, but I wanted to share some thoughts on the concept of free will Paul seems to brush against. I found the concept of free will at odds with my opinion that the brain and physics are very deterministic. But one thing the "free will doesn't exist" people tend to forget, is that the brain rewires and changes itself. You are destined to do what your brain is wired to do, but doing…

As far as we know the universe isn't deterministic.

Re: What You (Want to)* Want

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post #10

I probably don't have much to contribute, but I wanted to share some thoughts on the concept of free will Paul seems to brush against. I found the concept of free will at odds with my opinion that the brain and physics are very deterministic. But one thing the "free will doesn't exist" people tend to forget, is that the brain rewires and changes itself. You are destined to do what your brain is wired to do, but doing…

> brain and physics are very deterministic

Not to get too much into the 'quantum woo' territory, but my naive understanding is that the physics is only somewhat deterministic, b/c non-deterministic quantum events can have macroscopic effects?

Say you decide for whether you'll eat a dinner, if a particle with half-time of 1 second will split within the next second.

This you wouldn't be able to predict, even if you knew momenta of all particles within your local light-cone (of 1 light-second), no?

(a variation of the Schroedinger's cat)

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