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It’s amazing to me that enough people still believe in the crypto scam to keep pumping BTC above $15k. I guess they are still managing to mint fools at a fast enough pace to keep the price up.

Is everyone fleeing exchanges and just buying classic BTC and Eth?

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It’s amazing to me that enough people still believe in the crypto scam to keep pumping BTC above $15k. I guess they are still managing to mint fools at a fast enough pace to keep the price up.

BTC has survived a lot of "crypto scams" though

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It’s amazing to me that enough people still believe in the crypto scam to keep pumping BTC above $15k. I guess they are still managing to mint fools at a fast enough pace to keep the price up.

What's collapsing again and again are the companies that try to force TradFi ideas onto the DeFi ecosystem.

So, in terms of "crypto scam," there's nothing to see here.

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It’s amazing to me that enough people still believe in the crypto scam to keep pumping BTC above $15k. I guess they are still managing to mint fools at a fast enough pace to keep the price up.

https://www.ft.com/content/428c7800-c72d-4c59-9940-4376fea6e...

> Sam Bankman-Fried stormed on to the US political scene with multimillion-dollar donations that led lawmakers, particularly Democrats, to believe he was ushering in the next generation of donors. But in a matter of days, his business empire collapsed into bankruptcy and the prospect of millions more in donations evaporated.

https://fortune.com/2022/11/10/sam-bankman-fried-ftx-joe-bid... (https://archive.ph/BBpQN#selection-417.0-424.0)

> The 30-year-old Bankman-Fried has been a major force in Democratic politics, ranking as the party’s second-biggest individual donor in the 2021–2022 election cycle, according to Open Secrets, with donations totaling $39.8 million. That ranks only behind George Soros (about $128 million) but ahead of many other big names, including Michael Bloomberg ($28.3 million). What’s more, he had promised to spend far more on Democrats moving forward, predicting in May that he’d fund “north of $100 million” and had a “soft ceiling” of $1 billion for the 2024 elections.

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> The second near-failure of UB occurred when the site was riddled by extensive credit-card fraud during its first year or so of operations. That led parent company ieLogic to develop an antifraud software suite called ieSnare that was so effective that the company was able to license it to other online concerns. That’s a pretty interesting little side story.

Feels sort of nonsensical honestly. Credit card anti fraud is entirely reactionary, there’s no magic bullet, you’re just papering over the cracks of an absolutely broken payment system. Every service will see different fraud, it will always be changing, there’s no one fits all solution. Very frequently the “rules” of the systems aren’t solid and everybody trying to exploit them knows that.

It piqued my interest enough to google it and it seems like it’s actually a notable thing in the online betting world and is indeed fairly sophisticated and purpose-built.

One example blog post: https://csgobetting.com/iesnare-how-youre-being-made-paranoi...

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I wonder if there are cases of large scams where the perpetrators are smart enough to avoid being caught. Not all criminals end-up behind bars. I suspect that some scams can go unnoticed for long enough. I also suspect that scam opportunities are exploding.

Any kind of electronic gambling setup is amenable to insider scams.

Keep it low-key, don't get greedy, and you can probably milk it forever.

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It’s amazing to me that enough people still believe in the crypto scam to keep pumping BTC above $15k. I guess they are still managing to mint fools at a fast enough pace to keep the price up.

A very large pool of people have skin in the BTC game, some of them are billionaires with market manipulation power, like the Winklevoss twins.

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I wonder if there are cases of large scams where the perpetrators are smart enough to avoid being caught. Not all criminals end-up behind bars. I suspect that some scams can go unnoticed for long enough. I also suspect that scam opportunities are exploding.

> perpetrators are smart enough to avoid being caught.

IMO, many startups are scams on some level. VC A funds company X. VC A also funds company Y. Company Y 'decides' to use company X's hot new product and has a lofty enterprise license. This happens a few more times. Company X now has very large revenues, VC's friends at big-nation-bank decide it's time to IPO and cash out.

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It’s amazing to me that enough people still believe in the crypto scam to keep pumping BTC above $15k. I guess they are still managing to mint fools at a fast enough pace to keep the price up.

What's collapsing again and again are the companies that try to force TradFi ideas onto the DeFi ecosystem. So, in terms of "crypto scam," there's nothing to see here.

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Re: FTX collapse, Tether operations have links to online-poker cheating scandals

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There is a German saying: "Wo ein Trog ist kommen die Schweine." roughly translates to "Where there is a trough - the pigs will come." Rather fitting for all the crypto meltdowns in the last years.

Crypto has attracted almost every type of criminal under the sun, to the detriment of 'regular' people who got conned into this stuff and is now left holding the bags.

That German saying is on point and really sad.

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