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Re: Opening the North American charging standard

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I believe superchargers are also being upgraded to add CCS1 in North America. Not widely rolled out yet, but I think there are at least some operational. I think some have two cables, but they have some kind of design called "magic dock" that allows a single cable to use either plug.

(Superchargers elsewhere use the relevant local standard.)

Re: Opening the North American charging standard

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Why is CCS so absolutely enormous and so technically limited? What's the story behind how it got so bad? There must be some kind of trade-off Tesla took that CCS didn't?

I'm not privy to CCS design process, however several possibilities spring to mind:

- Backward compatibility: CCS is backward-compatible extension of J plug, and can't share AC and DC lines due to that.

- Higher safety margins in CCS

- CCS design by committee

- Better engineers at Tesla

Re: Opening the North American charging standard

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I don't see anything new here (other than the name).

For those who don't know there are two charging connecters used for new electric cars in the US: Tesla (now called NACS and only used on Teslas) and CCS (used by everyone else). There's nothing here to indicate that that's changing and it feels like a move by Tesla to try turning around the momentum in a format war they're losing, even if they have a wider installed base today

Re: Opening the North American charging standard

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Wow. Awesome! I hope Ford and other EV Manufacturers make retrofit kits though - and similar for the charging stations already deployed. Lugging an adapter for all non-Tesla EVs before the, what, 2024 model year would be irritating. Assuming, of course, they are on board and this doesn't turn into Betamax/VHS, Blu-ray/HD-DVD, or HDR10+/Dolby Vision again.

This won't turn into Betamax/VHS or Blu-ray/HD-DVD because CCS has already won-- every EV sold in the US except Tesla (and maybe still the Nissan Leaf; they may still be on CHAdeMO) has CCS Type 1.

This is probably too little, too late for Tesla.

Re: Opening the North American charging standard

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Why is CCS so absolutely enormous and so technically limited? What's the story behind how it got so bad? There must be some kind of trade-off Tesla took that CCS didn't?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27907051 TLDR CCS wanted to be backwards compatible, while Tesla planned fast charging to be first class with their standard. At the time, no one was doing fast charging at Supercharger currents (150kw). CCS was bolted on to J1772.

Considering how early that decision was made in the timeline of electric vehicles (how early we still even are) — getting saddled with a backwards compatibility kludge kind of sucks.

Re: Opening the North American charging standard

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Tesla said in May that it would be adding CCS adapters to its Supercharger stations, already used in Europe: https://electrek.co/2022/05/10/tesla-add-ccs-connectors-supe...

Now they're trying to declare their own charger as a "standard", after launching a $250 adapter in September to use the actual standard plug?

Also, obligatory Technology Connections video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZOuz_laH9I

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