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Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency

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Post by tpxl »

jl6 wrote: post #7

> If they find out their co-workers are making more money to do the same job, they are likely to take action. Here’s the rub: “same job”. Sure, this is a reasonable attitude to take if it’s genuinely the same job and each worker is creating genuinely the same value. But everywhere I’ve worked, comparable jobs are defined as graded job families, and it has been very obvious that there is a diverse range of work being…

Often the person doing a more complex or impactful job has a lower wage than a new junior coworker. This can happen with employees that have been at the company long, whose wages have stagnated. When a company hires new people at current market rates, those new people will have a higher wage, for what can be the same or 'easier' job.

Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency

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Post by neallindsay »

HelloNurse wrote: post #9
O__________O wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For clarity: - 1 in 20 is 5% - 1 in 25 is 4%

Probably just casual rounding of a quantity and its reciprocal, without realizing that 4% vs 5% is a large difference.

Maybe it's actually 4.48%, which would be about 1 in 22, and they rounded in opposite directions.

Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency

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Post by benreesman »

Very few engineers are within a constant factor of one another.

One person has the same title as another but everyone knows that person A does person B’s job in the shower.

This is why serious companies use low key stock options or RSUs to pay person A 1000x more than person B.

This stuff is hard, it’s all a gradient right?

But Meta just whacked 10+ percent of staff in the biggest tech layoff ever and the street responded positively.

Most people aren’t smart enough to do this shit, and efforts to democratize a field that should be more credentialed and regulated is why we keep fucking up as an industry. We have no (public) respect for the difference between the pros and the TypeScript dabblers.

Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency

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Post by teekert »

phpisthebest wrote: post #12

I once had employer tell me that because I was single with no kids I did not "need" as much income as a co-worker with multiple kids... I noped out of that employment quickly

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" [0]

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_each_according_to_his_abi...

Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency

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Post by club_tropical »

tpxl wrote: post #11
jl6 wrote: post #7

> If they find out their co-workers are making more money to do the same job, they are likely to take action. Here’s the rub: “same job”. Sure, this is a reasonable attitude to take if it’s genuinely the same job and each worker is creating genuinely the same value. But everywhere I’ve worked, comparable jobs are defined as graded job families, and it has been very obvious that there is a diverse range of work being…

Often the person doing a more complex or impactful job has a lower wage than a new junior coworker. This can happen with employees that have been at the company long, whose wages have stagnated. When a company hires new people at current market rates, those new people will have a higher wage, for what can be the same or 'easier' job.

Yes, this is what the quitting is about. There would be no reason to quit if someone more valuable than you also earns more; that just makes sense.

Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency

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Post by least »

phpisthebest wrote: post #12

I once had employer tell me that because I was single with no kids I did not "need" as much income as a co-worker with multiple kids... I noped out of that employment quickly

This is pretty much how it works in the military, except it's because you are single you don't need to get paid as much as people who are married, but since you're not married you also have plenty of time to stay later and do all the bullshit details. Oh, also if you're an E-5 or below you don't need to have your own home with real amenities like a stovetop.

In case you were wondering why there's so much marriage and divorce in the military...

Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency

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Post by bheadmaster »

teekert wrote: post #16
phpisthebest wrote: post #12

I once had employer tell me that because I was single with no kids I did not "need" as much income as a co-worker with multiple kids... I noped out of that employment quickly

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" [0] [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_each_according_to_his_abi...

Assuming an employer is the proper authority for deciding how much workers "need", and completely ignoring the conflict of interest.

Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency

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Post by eurasiantiger »

HelloNurse wrote: post #9
O__________O wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For clarity: - 1 in 20 is 5% - 1 in 25 is 4%

Probably just casual rounding of a quantity and its reciprocal, without realizing that 4% vs 5% is a large difference.

For a company of 70,000 people, 4% leaving is 2,800 people and 5% would be 3,500.
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